What are you trying to say here exactly? It doesn't change anything. Anyone asks me what I'm doing will be told to fuck off. The only people to ever question me like that were the Garda and they were told to fuck off too. The fucking cheek of that. I mean - who does that?
You are obligated to identify your self while on private property.
Seriously, Chris Rock explains it quite plainly. If you just use common sense......
What are talking about private property? I'm not talking about walking into someone's garden. I'm talking about walking through a residential area. Who has the right to question my reasons for walking through an area?
No one.
These "residential" areas are considered private property as gated communities.
That doesn't mean, however that I agree with Tyrannical. In many of these 'gated' communities anyone would appear as a stranger, the community is just too big for anyone to know exactly who is, and who isn't a stranger. Unless these appointed "neighborhood watchmen" like Zimmerman get a list of every resident and their guests, I find it ridiculous of gated communities to give these policing rights to anyone like Zimmerman, based solely on the fact that they are residents and cop wannabes.
But that's what the community wanted...now this is what they reaped. I guarantee there are thousands of gated communities across the US who will be seriously rethinking their "Neighborhood Watch" programs after this debaucle.
Atheists have always argued that this world is all that we have, and that our duty is to one another to make the very most and best of it. ~Christopher Hitchens~
It's probably a cultural difference but that sounds mad to me.
So if I'm at the mall and the shortest way for me home is through a private residential area I either walk around it or expect questions from John Nobody on my reasons for walking through the area?
As I said, I don't even let cops talk to me in such manner. John Nobody will be shown a hand and asked to converse with it.
Libertarianism: The belief that out of all the terrible things governments can do, helping people is the absolute worst.
The video is funny, and does have a few life lessons involved.
"Everybody knows, if the police have to come and get you, they are bringing an ass kicking with them" Oh,and don't drive with a mad women.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
Animavore wrote:It's probably a cultural difference but that sounds mad to me.
So if I'm at the mall and the shortest way for me home is through a private residential area I either walk around it or expect questions from John Nobody on my reasons for walking through the area?
As I said, I don't even let cops talk to me in such manner. John Nobody will be shown a hand and asked to converse with it.
It is mad. And fortunately it's not common across the US.
Gated communities came about originally as a way of keeping children out without being accused of 'discrimination'. So, obviously they are retiree centric, thus making them very popular in Florida.
If you dared to have that kind of attitude about letting someone talk to me "in such a manner" towards someone like Z---------you might easily be shot. (oops, did I just say that? )
Atheists have always argued that this world is all that we have, and that our duty is to one another to make the very most and best of it. ~Christopher Hitchens~
Animavore wrote:It's probably a cultural difference but that sounds mad to me.
So if I'm at the mall and the shortest way for me home is through a private residential area I either walk around it or expect questions from John Nobody on my reasons for walking through the area?
As I said, I don't even let cops talk to me in such manner. John Nobody will be shown a hand and asked to converse with it.
It is mad. And fortunately it's not common across the US.
Gated communities came about originally as a way of keeping children out without being accused of 'discrimination'. So, obviously they are retiree centric, thus making them very popular in Florida.
If you dared to have that kind of attitude about letting someone talk to me "in such a manner" towards someone like Z---------you might easily be shot. (oops, did I just say that? )
Oh please.
Everyone know that gated communities were designed to keep blacks out, except they can't go out and say it. It's no coincidence that gated communities and neighborhood watches started soon after desegregation.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
Animavore wrote:It's probably a cultural difference but that sounds mad to me.
So if I'm at the mall and the shortest way for me home is through a private residential area I either walk around it or expect questions from John Nobody on my reasons for walking through the area?
As I said, I don't even let cops talk to me in such manner. John Nobody will be shown a hand and asked to converse with it.
It is mad. And fortunately it's not common across the US.
Gated communities came about originally as a way of keeping children out without being accused of 'discrimination'. So, obviously they are retiree centric, thus making them very popular in Florida.
If you dared to have that kind of attitude about letting someone talk to me "in such a manner" towards someone like Z---------you might easily be shot. (oops, did I just say that? )
Oh please.
Everyone know that gated communities were designed to keep blacks out, except they can't go out and say it. It's no coincidence that gated communities and neighborhood watches started soon after desegregation.
Yea, it's kind of a one step down from segregating blacks to drink from same fountains, swim in same neighborhood pools, go to same schools. Now they have a valid reason to just shoot them away. Legally.
Animavore wrote:It's probably a cultural difference but that sounds mad to me.
So if I'm at the mall and the shortest way for me home is through a private residential area I either walk around it or expect questions from John Nobody on my reasons for walking through the area?
As I said, I don't even let cops talk to me in such manner. John Nobody will be shown a hand and asked to converse with it.
It is mad. And fortunately it's not common across the US.
Gated communities came about originally as a way of keeping children out without being accused of 'discrimination'. So, obviously they are retiree centric, thus making them very popular in Florida.
If you dared to have that kind of attitude about letting someone talk to me "in such a manner" towards someone like Z---------you might easily be shot. (oops, did I just say that? )
Oh please.
Everyone know that gated communities were designed to keep blacks out, except they can't go out and say it. It's no coincidence that gated communities and neighborhood watches started soon after desegregation.
Oh, please. Know what you're talking about when you say "oh please".
The original gated community started out with retirement communities...it's goes without saying that once they found a way around discriminating against children, it would be then applied to keeping out blacks or any other minority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gated_community
Atheists have always argued that this world is all that we have, and that our duty is to one another to make the very most and best of it. ~Christopher Hitchens~
this does not prove he was a thief, and the items in his school bag were placed there by him, hence his graffiti WTF. And who in high school DID NOT smoke pot? Anyone?
It might prove he was a thief. I'm curious how that school indecent really panned out and perhaps in the future more facts regarding it might come out. Surely that jewelry must have belonged to someone? How did it end up in Trayvon's possession?
No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.
“Martin was suspended, warned and dismissed for the graffiti,” according to the report prepared by schools police.
did you read this part or did you just conveniently missed it?
No, I merely point out that it is highly unlikely that a teenager would be carrying around jewelry and a screwdriver in this manner as an ordinary and unremarkable thing to do. Since he had no explanation for his possession of the jewelry or the screwdriver other than a vague "someone gave it to me" it's not entirely irrational to suspect that the jewelry was stolen and that the screwdriver was used to force entry somewhere. This does not prove he's a thief beyond a reasonable doubt, but it's hardly what I would call "good kid" behavior that would lead me to believe that Martin was some kind of innocent choirboy. That the jewelry was never identified as stolen is not particularly relevant. Now if Martin had said, "It belongs to my sister and she asked me to take it to the jeweler's for repair," and could then produce a receipt from the jeweler and have his sister corroborate his story I'd be more sympathetic. But ANY teenage boy with a bag full of jewelry he can't account for and a burglary tool who is caught defacing school property is rightfully suspect even if he cannot be convicted of anything.
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come to think of it....What exactly IS good kid behavior?
we often watch movies where teenagers are the rebels without a cause and we love them, we can relate to them, we all love party movies and have done plenty of party stupidness in our own life time. Is that good kid behavior?
kiki5711 wrote:come to think of it....What exactly IS good kid behavior?
we often watch movies where teenagers are the rebels without a cause and we love them, we can relate to them, we all love party movies and have done plenty of party stupidness in our own life time. Is that good kid behavior?
When teachers bad student complaints consist of gum chewing, passing notes and pea shooters then the rest are exhibiting good behavior.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.
kiki5711 wrote:come to think of it....What exactly IS good kid behavior?
we often watch movies where teenagers are the rebels without a cause and we love them, we can relate to them, we all love party movies and have done plenty of party stupidness in our own life time. Is that good kid behavior?
When teachers bad student complaints consist of gum chewing, passing notes and pea shooters then the rest are exhibiting good behavior.
and you've never done anything stupid when you were in high school? did you? High School is THE most aggressive behavior expressed by bullies and princess wannabes place that I can think of. Oh, yea, and college EVEN worse!
kiki5711 wrote:In fact if zimmerman really did get some of his head hurt, I'm sorry it wasn't smashed even more. I wish trayvon was an expert in kung fu, so he could have kicked his ass really good.
What makes you so absolutely sure that Martin didn't attack Zimmerman first? What evidence do you have to support this conclusion? Evidence. Not opinion, not intuition, not bias or prejudice...evidence. Logic. Reasoning. Cold, hard facts. Got anything conclusive that the rest of us have missed out on? Or are you just projecting your own child into Martin's place and assuming that Martin was the same kind of person as your child?
I'm not even talking about the legalities here any more. I'm past beyond that. Someone gets in my face, they better prepare for a fight.
Lol - keep talkin...
You are past the legalities because everything you have said has been shown to be ignorant, wrong, biased, prejudiced, shrill, irrational, and/or juvenile in the extreme. Your current bluster about you , an aging wannabe hippie whose brain was apparently long ago fried on various drugs, kicking anyone's ass.... Lol...
well why don't you come around and find out, you arrogant prick! you don't even need drugs to be empty headed, you just are.
I'd be too scared, I'm sure. It's so hardcore gangsta where you live.
FBM wrote:And the glaring fact that none of us knows what really happened continues to be ignored in favor of political spinning and rumor-mongering speculation.
We do know some things. Like, that those who say that Zimmerman ignored police instructions and left his vehicle when they told him not to. Those people who are basing their views on something like that are not concerned with the truth, since even the most cursory review of the known facts is very clear. Nobody instructed Zimmerman to remain in his vehicle.
amused wrote:Nothing about Trayvon's past is at all relevant. Zimmerman did not know any of that history when he murdered him.
You seem to have different standards of evidence and relevance when evaluating Martin as opposed to Zimmerman. Doesn't Zimmerman get a presumption of innocence too? Isn't Zimmerman's past also irrelevant?
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