Spy vs Spy....

[Ian]

[Bella Fortuna]

[Pappa]

How effective can it be if there's a news story about it?

That's what they want you to think.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[Blind groper]

The irony is that, in the war against Al Qaeda, it is the intelligence agencies that actually scored the wins. George W. Fucking Stupid Bush sent the armed forces out to do battle, and reaped a harvest of corpses, mostly innocent bystanders, interspersed with a bunch of Americans and allies. In the mean time, the intelligence agencies (of the USA, Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, and probably others) were inserting people into Al Qaeda and sending back intelligence.

Result : a series of Al Qaeda sabotage efforts nipped in the bud, and Osama dead, plus a few of his other top leaders. Al Qaeda emasculated, with minimal cost.

So what the fuck was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq about?

[mistermack]

How effective can it be if there's a news story about it?

Failed in their first mission....

They're not the first :

[Audley Strange]

The irony is that, in the war against Al Qaeda, it is the intelligence agencies that actually scored the wins. George W. Fucking Stupid Bush sent the armed forces out to do battle, and reaped a harvest of corpses, mostly innocent bystanders, interspersed with a bunch of Americans and allies. In the mean time, the intelligence agencies (of the USA, Britain, France, Israel, Pakistan, and probably others) were inserting people into Al Qaeda and sending back intelligence.

Result : a series of Al Qaeda sabotage efforts nipped in the bud, and Osama dead, plus a few of his other top leaders. Al Qaeda emasculated, with minimal cost.

So what the fuck was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq about?

That was the minimal cost.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Roosevelt's Secret War is a fun read. Just sayin'.

[Blind groper]

That was the minimal cost.

Since the real victories were all gained by intelligence agencies, and covert operatives pretending to be Al Qaeda, why should there have been a war in Afghanistan at all (or Iraq)? That it, apart from the political and economic reasons (Bush wanting to be seen by the electorate as 'strong'), and the quest for oil.

The thing is that Al Qaeda was not really the reason for war. Al Qaeda needed to be countered, but that was best done via more subtle methods using good intelligence. Not the blunt and horribly destructive method of going to war.

[Svartalf]

Bush sent the troops out so that his friends that have companies that contract with the military would get fat payouts.

Halliburton alone made tens of mmillions, and dick cheney used to be big brass there... I'm sure generous kickbacks were handed out.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Bush sent the troops out so that his friends that have companies that contract with the military would get fat payouts.

Halliburton alone made tens of mmillions, and dick cheney used to be big brass there... I'm sure generous kickbacks were handed out.

[Coito ergo sum]

At one of them is a dummy organization for the Illuminati.

You'll be the chap to know how it was in WWII. Did the competing agencies like to hold on to their info? And did that lead to any major cock-ups?

Didn't SOMEBODY catch the Japanese fleet setting out for Pearl harbour and fail to notify the Merkins?

Didn't you hear? The US knew about it all along, and allowed it to happen. FDR wanted the war, and all...

[Coito ergo sum]

All you have to do is look at the suppression of intelligence reports from 1943 onwards about what was going on in the concentration camps. Despite there being dozens if not hundreds of them, they were ignored or considered implausible by "allied" Governments and denied to be factual even though they were being widely reported in the press.

The rest of Yerup hated da Joos almost as much as the Germans. They were probably hoping the "problem" would just "go away..."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

At one of them is a dummy organization for the Illuminati.

You'll be the chap to know how it was in WWII. Did the competing agencies like to hold on to their info? And did that lead to any major cock-ups?

Didn't SOMEBODY catch the Japanese fleet setting out for Pearl harbour and fail to notify the Merkins?

Didn't you hear? The US knew about it all along, and allowed it to happen. FDR wanted the war, and all...

They started out from here. 44°59'44.27" N 147°42'00.97" E Both locals were locked up until after the strike.

[Coito ergo sum]

How effective can it be if there's a news story about it?

Failed in their first mission....

Unless they're diverting attention from the real canny operation with a facade of a dense fabric of bureaucracy and incompetence...


Naaaaaahhh......

Never underestimate the power of incompetence.....

I work in HR... I rarely do.

No offense, but isn't HR the part of any organization where incompetence is manufactured? You know, "Catbert" the "evil director of Human Resources."