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Re: I've got it ! This is how we will colonise space !

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:51 am

I'm begining to see merit in the idea...
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:52 am

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:I'm begining tutu merit in the idea...
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Gawdzilla wrote:
JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:I'm begining tutu merit in the idea...
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JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:
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JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:I'm begining tutu merit in the idea...
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Post by mistermack » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:56 am

Clinton Huxley wrote: Assuming they survive the high-g launch.
I'm not sure how high levels of gravity would affect a brain floating in a fluid, totally enclosed.
If the brain is the same density as the fluid, would it even feel the hi-g?
All pressure would be evenly distributed in a fluid, so I really don't know if hi-g would be any problem at all.
Fish at the bottom of the deepest ocean don't seem to feel the incredible pressures, so maybe a brain in a fluid would be the same.
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Clinton Huxley wrote: Assuming they survive the high-g launch.
I'm not sure how high levels of gravity would affect a brain floating in a fluid, totally enclosed.
If the brain is the same density as the fluid, would it even feel the hi-g?
All pressure would be evenly distributed in a fluid, so I really don't know if hi-g would be any problem at all.
Fish at the bottom of the deepest ocean don't seem to feel the incredible pressures, so maybe a brain in a fluid would be the same.
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:10 pm

mistermack wrote:What I forgot to mention is that this plan is for when we can keep people alive for so long, that their own bodies just crumble. So having your brain fitted into a robot body would be an improvement in lifestyle.

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Post by Mysturji » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:12 pm

mistermack wrote:Spinning space stations would be even better. You could have any gravity you like.
The outer part would be the same gravity as the Earth, and as you moved in towards the centre, the artificial gravity would get less and less, down to zero at the centre.
So you could just choose how much you would weigh that day.

All perfect for the elderly.
The trouble with that idea is that the area in the centre would inevitably become a zero-G orgy room (At least in the wee-small hours, ship's time) which would be great for those taking part (at least for a while.. keep reading), but would rather spoil it for everyone else, what with all the used condoms, diaphrams, etc, and copious globs of expelled bodily fluids floating & flying around, sticking to the occupants, not to mention the walls, gumming up the air vents and generally making the place unpleasant and unhygenic.
So no. NOT perfect for the elderly, as they tend to be rather bent and wrinkly and don't look good naked. They also tire easily, lose their dentures and eyeglasses and get lost trying to find the exit.
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Post by mistermack » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:20 pm

Mysturji wrote:
mistermack wrote:Spinning space stations would be even better. You could have any gravity you like.
The outer part would be the same gravity as the Earth, and as you moved in towards the centre, the artificial gravity would get less and less, down to zero at the centre.
So you could just choose how much you would weigh that day.

All perfect for the elderly.
The trouble with that idea is that the area in the centre would inevitably become a zero-G orgy room (At least in the wee-small hours, ship's time) which would be great for those taking part (at least for a while.. keep reading), but would rather spoil it for everyone else, what with all the used condoms, diaphrams, etc, and copious globs of expelled bodily fluids floating & flying around, sticking to the occupants, not to mention the walls, gumming up the air vents and generally making the place unpleasant and unhygenic.
So no. NOT perfect for the elderly, as they tend to be rather bent and wrinkly and don't look good naked. They also tire easily, lose their dentures and eyeglasses and get lost trying to find the exit.
I don't think body fluids would be a problem. They would have dried up years ago.
So no need for condoms etc.
And old tits would look a lot better, with zero gravity.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Re the high-g, was thinking of pensioners. If you are putting pensioners brains in robot-bodies then they dont' need the low-g environment of a space station.

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Post by mistermack » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:37 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Re the high-g, was thinking of pensioners. If you are putting pensioners brains in robot-bodies then they dont' need the low-g environment of a space station.

I don't believe I just typed that sentence.
Ah no, but that's not the point I was making. I was saying that normal human bodies degenerate in low g, because they need gravity to stay healthy. But just a brain, fitted in a life-supporting robot body, wouldn't suffer in low g, and would therefore be ideal for long trips to distant parts of the solar system, and for living on low g planets or moons. The elderly would be ideal for it, because their original bodies might be fucked anyway.
If I was a typical 115 year old, and they offered me the chance to switch to a fully fit robot body, I'd jump at the chance.

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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:52 pm

On the less depressing side, once nuclear fusion is mastered the concept of over population would cease to exist. :prof:

Overpopulation implies a greater demand than supply of scarce resources, but with cheap infinitely scalable power what is scarce? Food can be grown hydroponically with artificial lighting, and the amount and price limited mostly be the cost of electricity. Mining and manufacturing would become cheaper, and huge vertical population centers would be feasible both above and below ground. Just imagine how many people could live comfortably in a building the size of a mountain :ask:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:54 pm

Tyrannical wrote:On the less depressing side, once nuclear fusion is mastered the concept of over population would cease to exist. :prof:

Overpopulation implies a greater demand than supply of scarce resources, but with cheap infinitely scalable power what is scarce? Food can be grown hydroponically with artificial lighting, and the amount and price limited mostly be the cost of electricity. Mining and manufacturing would become cheaper, and huge vertical population centers would be feasible both above and below ground. Just imagine how many people could live comfortably in a building the size of a mountain :ask:
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:56 pm

Oh, and that brain transplant robot talk is 1950's sci-fi garbage.
Once we understand how living organisms function as well as we do machines we'll be able to solve all medical problems including aging by just telling the body to "do something" to fix it. Another 200 years tops and we'll have mastered that.
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Post by Tyrannical » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:00 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:On the less depressing side, once nuclear fusion is mastered the concept of over population would cease to exist. :prof:

Overpopulation implies a greater demand than supply of scarce resources, but with cheap infinitely scalable power what is scarce? Food can be grown hydroponically with artificial lighting, and the amount and price limited mostly be the cost of electricity. Mining and manufacturing would become cheaper, and huge vertical population centers would be feasible both above and below ground. Just imagine how many people could live comfortably in a building the size of a mountain :ask:
Oh, for fuck's sake. Do we have to find new ways of fucking up the only planet we have?
Fucking up :ask:

We could house entire populations in a few square miles. You could even do it all underground leaving the surface pristine.
When energy cost is not an option, vast underground mining that is later turned into livable cities is feasible. Food production is just a matter of hydroponics powered by cheap fusion.
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