Worst presidential campaign ever.

[Svartalf]

Dammit, and I thought last one was bad.

I should be used to people unworthy by half running for the top office (damn, I don't thing there's been a worthy person at the helm since march 1974), and to the voter being taken for a moron (well, most of them are anyway) but this...

Last time, I was bothered over szarkoszyt's oratory rather obviously taking some cue from hitler's (minus antisemitism), and la royal's perpetual connitude... but this time is even worse

szark's not only having fascist overtones, he openly campaigns to make this country a totalitarian police state where freedoms will be the sole privilege of those with both more money than they can use and well placed friends
and the rest have nothing of substance to propose instead.

most of the campaign actually consists of people saying little perfidious things about this political adversary or that, and dissecting every speech or interview of the candidates for things they can say ill of, even if it hurts their position more to retort to their opponents thant if they had let them hang themselves (mostly because they try to make fuel of everything, not just of what will burn).

To boot, this morning, some moron I don't remember noted that our political right had strayed from its conservative roots and gone all liberal.

Given that the old style was socially conservative (the wealthy must stay so, their rule must not be significantly challenged, the poor are "dangerous" classes when they don't know to keep their place), while the current right is liberal... in an economic meaning of the term (laissez faire, don't tax us, don't limit our freedoms of action with regs, and especially set no standards for product quality or for how we can treat the workers who should already be grateful to have a job rather than demand it also feed them)... that bit quite riled me up for complete nonsense. I don't even remember who it was saidd the gem, or even what side he is on.

[Santa_Claus]

Vive De Gaulle!

[Ian]

Vive Napoleon!

[Warren Dew]

Vive le Roi-Soleil!

[Seabass]

Vivat imperator in aeternum?

[Tyrannical]

Viva Marine Le Pen!

If France is to remain French, someone has to take steps to remove the North Africans and Muslims and I think Marine has the balls to get that rolling.

[Santa_Claus]

Viva Vauxhall!

(one for the brits!)

[Rum]

He has to make noises in the direction of the far right if he wants to 'keep the middle ground'. The centre ground of politics in a lot of European countries see the likes of the National Front stealing their votes if they don't indicate that they share some of their constituencies concerns. Immigration and the like are not just issues of the far right any more, but to many people they seem to be the only people taking an interest.

[FBM]

Didn't Czarkozy cause a stir by saying somebody or the other only "looked Catholic" but really wasn't? I have two classmates who are Frenchies and one of them was trying to tell me something about that story. I couldn't understand him very well, tho, whether he's trying to speak English or Korean. Nobody can, except the other French guy.

(Incidentally, if you want a real laugh, listen to Korean spoken with a strong French accent. )

[Santa_Claus]

Immigration is a good thing - but it's simply a numbers game.

Less is more, why should anyone invest themselves (financially and emotionally) in a society that shares the benefits (of my / my family's efforts) with folk who haven't contributed? a 1000 is no problem - 10 million is simple stupidity.

Personally that tipping point for Britain has already been reached - if the Jerries or Al Quaeda started dropping paratroopers my first reaction would not be to tie a bread knife to a broomstick (they don't like it up 'em) but to either f#ck off somewhere else, or switch sides.

[Svartalf]

Didn't Czarkozy cause a stir by saying somebody or the other only "looked Catholic" but really wasn't? I have two classmates who are Frenchies and one of them was trying to tell me something about that story. I couldn't understand him very well, tho, whether he's trying to speak English or Korean. Nobody can, except the other French guy.

(Incidentally, if you want a real laugh, listen to Korean spoken with a strong French accent. )

Not the slightest idea... that's one I seem to have missed, which isn't quite surprising as the limited array of media I keep abreast of can't cover just every little factoid about the campaign... especially now that equal time must be allotted to the coverage of every official canidate.

[Tyrannical]

Immigration is a good thing - but it's simply a numbers game.

Depends on the immigrants. Some immigrants can become valued productive members of society, while others simply drag the country down. Simply wanting cheap unskilled labor is a very very bad reason to allow immigrants in unless on temporary work visas.

[Santa_Claus]

Immigration is a good thing - but it's simply a numbers game.

Depends on the immigrants. Some immigrants can become valued productive members of society, while others simply drag the country down. Simply wanting cheap unskilled labor is a very very bad reason to allow immigrants in unless on temporary work visas.

Whilst I agree with you on the cheap unskilled labour front (short term gain - easily counted.....long term cost - not so easily measured)......I would also argue that even "good" immigrants being a problem is also a numbers game. And the numbers do vary between immigrant cultures, especially those who have no interest in integrating (integration = "where did your grandad come from?" ......."No fucking idea" ).....the result will always be like Whitey colonialists in Africa (or Jews - Everywhere), sooner or later the locals have to get rid of to progress.

[Tyrannical]

Immigration is a good thing - but it's simply a numbers game.

Depends on the immigrants. Some immigrants can become valued productive members of society, while others simply drag the country down. Simply wanting cheap unskilled labor is a very very bad reason to allow immigrants in unless on temporary work visas.

Whilst I agree with you on the cheap unskilled labour front (short term gain - easily counted.....long term cost - not so easily measured)......I would also argue that even "good" immigrants being a problem is also a numbers game. And the numbers do vary between immigrant cultures, especially those who have no interest in integrating (integration = "where did your grandad come from?" ......."No fucking idea" ).....the result will always be like Whitey colonialists in Africa (or Jews - Everywhere), sooner or later the locals have to get rid of to progress.

The US has long been known as the great melting pot where White Europeans united to form a Nation. The melting pot notion never included Blacks, Asians, Arabs, or other non-European Whites. It is the inclusion of these alien cultures and races that has been dragging the US down and causing internal dissension just as it is the Blacks and Muslims causing the problems in France, UK, Germany and other European countries now. Political Correctness has blinded us to seeing the reality even though the evidence is plain to see in everything from crime to education statistics.

"…whence came all these people? They are a mixture of English, Scotch, Irish, French, Dutch, Germans, and Swedes... What, then, is the American, this new man? He is neither a European nor the descendant of a European; hence that strange mixture of blood, which you will find in no other country. I could point out to you a family whose grandfather was an Englishman, whose wife was Dutch, whose son married a French woman, and whose present four sons have now four wives of different nations. He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced, the new government he obeys, and the new rank he holds. . . . The Americans were once scattered all over Europe; here they are incorporated into one of the finest systems of population which has ever appeared." − J. Hector St. John de Crevecoeur, Letters from an American Farmer.

[Svartalf]

Wow, plenty of new law proposals on the law and order and homeland security fronts, especially in the wake of the Montauban killings, but that one is unrelated and takes the cake

pres sarkoshyt, who has had no less than ten years to push that kind of thing, if he really had wanted to (5 as president, and the 5 previous he was neither president, prime minister nor justice secretary, but he still was minister of the Interior and head of the majority party, and hence likely the most influential person in gumming after president chirac himself), suddenly wants to change the law so recidivists for sexual crimes would get life rather than the currently mandated 20 years.

I swear, if I ever meet him, it better be on an empty stomach, that turd makes me want to puke.