End in sight for IT jobs outsourcing massacre

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End in sight for IT jobs outsourcing massacre

Post by klr » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:15 am

Not sure where to put this, but here in news will do for the moment:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/23 ... _massacre/ (includes link to comments, which are well worth reading)
End in sight for IT jobs outsourcing massacre
No CIO is going to offshore his own job


The offshoring of IT work to developing countries has been very popular with accountants looking to cut costs, but the limits are being reached of what jobs can conceivably be sent overseas.

Research by The Hackett Group estimates that of the 8.2 million business service jobs available in the US and Europe in 2002, only around 4.5 million will remain by 2016, with the rest moving to India, China, and other global outsourcing centers.

But the limit will then have been reached, with barely a million left that could realistically be moved offshore, and companies that would do so would face "a PR nightmare" and risk losing staff who don't trust their employers. This would mean an end to the cost savings for Western businesses, and would leave those hosting countries in a bind, since they will have to find new targets if they are to maintain current growth rates.

"In the US and Europe, offshoring of business had a significant negative impact on the jobs outlook for nearly a decade," said The Hackett Group chief research officer Michel Janssen. "That trend is going to continue to hit us hard in the short-term. But after the offshoring spike driven by the Great Recession in 2009, the well is clearly beginning to dry up. A decade from now the landscape will have fundamentally changed, and the flow of business services jobs to India and other low-cost countries will have ceased."

The IT profession has been hardest hit by the offshoring of service jobs, and will see a 54 per cent drop in employment between 2002 and 2016. Finance employment will fall 42 per cent, procurement jobs by 36 per cent, and human resource jobs will shrink by nearly a third as part of the drive to lower costs through offshoring and automation.

India remains the top spot for outsourcing, taking about 40 per cent of jobs, thanks in part to having an educated and largely English-speaking population. Eastern Europe has around 20 per cent of the market, but faces rising costs, and China is the destination for around 13 per cent of service jobs.
"No CIO is going to offshore his own job"

No, but IMHO they are intent on offloading as many of their staff as possible. It used be said that managers want to multiply subordinates, not rivals - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law. But in the IT sector, it seems that managers are intent on getting rid of as many subordinates as possible, and outsource instead. :coffee:
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Re: End in sight for IT jobs outsourcing massacre

Post by Audley Strange » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:26 am

Well I.T. had to finally catch up with the reality of most other businesses eventually.
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Post by klr » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:27 am

Audley Strange wrote:Well I.T. had to finally catch up with the reality of most other businesses eventually.
When I see accountants & managers being outsourced en masse, then I'll believe that. :ddpan:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:42 am

When they outsource lawyers we'll finally know if there's a Hell or not.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 am

You CAN'T outsource lawyers (and doing it to accountants is pretty hard to do either)

If only because law and accounting are bound by extremely localized rules, and practioners have to be locally licenced and accredited.

You can have Chinese accountants to cook the books for your China operation, but outsourcing your own accounting to China would be dang awkward, if only because you won't find many accountants there who'll know how to cook your books as per the regs applying in YOUR country, and even if you manage to find some, you'll still need a local guy to certify your acounts.
Same for lawyers... even if you find Chinese lawyers to advise you on what shenanigans you can or cannot pull in your country, they still won't be able to operate, so it's better not to outsource that, unless you're sure legal stuff will be so rare it's cheaper to consult with a local lawyer at need than to retain an actual legal department.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:02 pm

Sorry, did you think I was being serious?
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Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:22 pm

I think that might be a tad optimistic - the future is not about what jobs will be outsourced over there. It's what jobs will be outsourced over here.....and the answer will be as few as possible.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:25 pm

Jesus_of_Nazareth wrote:I think that might be a tad optimistic - the future is not about what jobs will be outsourced over there. It's what jobs will be outsourced over here.....and the answer will be as few as possible.
The logic of outsourcing is that everybody but you will keep their people working here so they can buy your products that you outsourced to China and laid off your workers who now have no income.

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Post by Audley Strange » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:14 pm

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Audley Strange wrote:Well I.T. had to finally catch up with the reality of most other businesses eventually.
When I see accountants & managers being outsourced en masse, then I'll believe that. :ddpan:
Give it time. It's already happening to an extent. Once there is software essentially any button monkey will be able to do most currently specialised white collar work and those that can't will be flogged to those who are happy with less salaries.
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Post by Drewish » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:26 pm

Could be worst. You could work in manufacturing.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:35 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Sorry, did you think I was being serious?
Certainly not, but how can you be deadpan if you don't answer seriously to obvious jokes?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:40 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Sorry, did you think I was being serious?
Certainly not, but how can you be deadpan if you don't answer seriously to obvious jokes?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:41 pm

andrewclunn wrote:Could be worst. You could work in manufacturing.
The sperm donor went to work doing the exact same thing for thirty-plus years. I would have gone stark if that had happened to me. Now that the jobs have all gone to China there is less danger of that. And less danger of making a living too.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:47 pm

If it costs a company £20 million to get something done in the UK or £10 million to get it done in China, it will be outsourced. Companies are not charities and they have a responsibility to their shareholders. If you believe that companies work for "the good of society" or exist to keep people employed, you need to take the rose-tinted glasses off. If it can be outsourced, it WILL be outsourced and the only way for the current "First World" economies to compete is to do those things that "Second World" economies cannot yet do.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:05 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:If it costs a company £20 million to get something done in the UK or £10 million to get it done in China, it will be outsourced. Companies are not charities and they have a responsibility to their shareholders. If you believe that companies work for "the good of society" or exist to keep people employed, you need to take the rose-tinted glasses off. If it can be outsourced, it WILL be outsourced and the only way for the current "First World" economies to compete is to do those things that "Second World" economies cannot yet do.
That's the bottom-line view. But who buys the products? People without jobs?
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