Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:49 am

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Crumple wrote:Going back to the poem the absolute lack of ambiguity is intended to stop people who are reading it from escaping the deliberate conflation of dark triad features and a politicaly right wing disposition? It is a black and white world after all? You are alive or you are dead. You are in the driving seat or you are a passenger. :smoke:
It might help the discussion along if you quoted Sylvia Plath's poem or provided a link to it. I only ever read The Bell Jar, and the only other thing I heard about her is that she committed suicide.

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Crumple wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Crumple wrote:Going back to the poem the absolute lack of ambiguity is intended to stop people who are reading it from escaping the deliberate conflation of dark triad features and a politicaly right wing disposition? It is a black and white world after all? You are alive or you are dead. You are in the driving seat or you are a passenger. :smoke:
It might help the discussion along if you quoted Sylvia Plath's poem or provided a link to it. I only ever read The Bell Jar, and the only other thing I heard about her is that she committed suicide.
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by JimC » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:38 am

Blind groper wrote:Come on guys.
Women get off on guys who are not perfect. If it were not so, humanity would have gone extinct a million years ago. We survive due to female tolerance. If it were not for the fact that women are very, very tolerant, I would never have got married.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:02 pm

Blind groper wrote:Come on guys.
Women get off on guys who are not perfect. If it were not so, humanity would have gone extinct a million years ago. We survive due to female tolerance. If it were not for the fact that women are very, very tolerant, I would never have got married.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:29 pm

Never noticed either effect

or maybe I'm a Charlie Brown class blah boy.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:49 pm

Svartalf wrote:Never noticed either effect

or maybe I'm a Charlie Brown class blah boy.
I was with a lady friend in a club on Miami Beach one time. She saw a "bad boy" type come in and said, "I'm going to regret this!" Then she made a move on him and after a while they vanished. I saw her a week later and just arched an eyebrow. "Yeah, I was right, I regret it."
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Calilasseia » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:10 am

I think in the case of those women who do gravitate toward "bad boy" types, either they hope he's merely bad enough to be useful in a tight spot, whilst being decent on the inside, or else they entertain fanciful ideas of reforming whichever "bad boy" is around at the moment. In both cases, they're likely to be in for much disappointment.

The only occasion I can recall being alerted to the idea of a woman who actually liked out and out Fascists, with all the disturbing baggage accompanying them, was, if memory serves, an old Xaviera Hollander "Call Me Madam" column in a 1980s Penthouse, which made pretty disturbing reading. The woman in question was a serious, and possibly clinically significant, masochist. Apparently, she not only found men in full SS regalia a turn on, she also wanted them to live up to the image in other ways. Such as subjecting her to an actual physical beating prior to sex. I truly hope that this case was unique, because I felt rather ill reading about it. I also found it completely incomprehensible that a woman would actually welcome being subjected to what amounted to physical torture, but apparently, the woman in question not only told this to Xaviera for the column, but exhibited the bruises with what Xaviera described as "a truly frightening amount of glee".

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:10 am

Calilasseia wrote:I think in the case of those women who do gravitate toward "bad boy" types, either they hope he's merely bad enough to be useful in a tight spot, whilst being decent on the inside, or else they entertain fanciful ideas of reforming whichever "bad boy" is around at the moment. In both cases, they're likely to be in for much disappointment.

The only occasion I can recall being alerted to the idea of a woman who actually liked out and out Fascists, with all the disturbing baggage accompanying them, was, if memory serves, an old Xaviera Hollander "Call Me Madam" column in a 1980s Penthouse, which made pretty disturbing reading. The woman in question was a serious, and possibly clinically significant, masochist. Apparently, she not only found men in full SS regalia a turn on, she also wanted them to live up to the image in other ways. Such as subjecting her to an actual physical beating prior to sex. I truly hope that this case was unique, because I felt rather ill reading about it. I also found it completely incomprehensible that a woman would actually welcome being subjected to what amounted to physical torture, but apparently, the woman in question not only told this to Xaviera for the column, but exhibited the bruises with what Xaviera described as "a truly frightening amount of glee".
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Svartalf » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:11 pm

Or my ex who wanted me to treat her as her dad treated her mother, that is be the perfect authoritarian violent macho type... and did all she could to make me mad and goad me into beating her?
I swear thar girl had an unheathy fascination for the character of Beverly in Stephen Kin's It, and the beating husband's motto "First the whuppin', then the fuckin'"... I was so repelled when she made me read that scene (before I went through the whole book) that it took me years to get that it was actually a hint about how she wanted and expected me to treat her.
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Blind groper » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:57 pm

Calilasseia wrote: an old Xaviera Hollander "Call Me Madam" column in a 1980s Penthouse,
I would take anything written in that column with a very, very heavy dose of salt. That article was sensationalist, and almost certainly fictional.
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Post by Svartalf » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:17 pm

You mean, like everything in Penthouse (even the pics probably)
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Blind groper » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:44 pm

No.
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Post by Svartalf » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:02 pm

But photoshopping ain't
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Re: Every woman adores a Fascist, Is It True?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:00 am

Svartalf wrote:But photoshopping ain't
They didn't have photoshop in the 80s. What you saw is what you got, in those halycon days, I seem to recall. :smoke:
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