If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by apophenia » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:09 am




Probably the law of causality, or inductive inference, if they aren't the same. Why settle for half anarchy when you can have the whole shebang.


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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:31 am

apophenia wrote:Probably the law of causality, or inductive inference, if they aren't the same. Why settle for half anarchy when you can have the whole shebang.
I thought the concept of causality had been comprehensively destroyed at least by the time David Hume had pulled it to pieces.
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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:34 am

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apophenia wrote:Probably the law of causality, or inductive inference, if they aren't the same. Why settle for half anarchy when you can have the whole shebang.
I thought the concept of causality had been comprehensively destroyed at least by the time David Hume had pulled it to pieces.
So he caused the destruction of the said concept, I take it...
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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:57 am

JimC wrote:
Seraph wrote:
apophenia wrote:Probably the law of causality, or inductive inference, if they aren't the same. Why settle for half anarchy when you can have the whole shebang.
I thought the concept of causality had been comprehensively destroyed at least by the time David Hume had pulled it to pieces.
So he caused the destruction of the said concept, I take it...
Lol. Good one. :hilarious:
1. He wasn't the first person to recognise the problem with induction and causation.
2. Most people still accept the concept of causality.
3. If most people didn't, the best you can say is that there is a correlation between Hume's writing on the topic and popular rejection of that concept.
So, that's a triple no. :mrgreen:

As an afterthought, I'm not sure if "the law of causality" can even be rightfully regarded as a law of nature.
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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by JimC » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:00 am

I rather think causality is a little like free-will - both are very difficult to defend on a philosophical basis, but both are quite handy as pragmatic guides to everyday life...
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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:11 am

JimC wrote:I rather think causality is a little like free-will - both are very difficult to defend on a philosophical basis, but both are quite handy as pragmatic guides to everyday life...
Yes, they are indeed, but neither are necessary on pragmatic grounds. In science (and everyday life for that matter) correlation does the same job, and in social terms behaviourism does everything (except explain what "good" and "evil" is) the notion of free will is used for.
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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by apophenia » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:27 pm




Hume was a strict empiricist and as such couldn't derive causality from experience alone. It's unclear whether he would or would not have accepted causality on, say, Kantian grounds. Hume was also wont to argue the acceptance of certain things on the ground of mental habit or custom, even if they couldn't be strictly derived. Of course, this is somewhat beside the point, as the concept of causality and causality itself are not the same, and it's unclear that the concept is a requisite.


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Re: If you could, what basic law of nature would you change?

Post by Hermit » Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:29 pm

apophenia wrote:Hume was a strict empiricist...
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