Mississippi Conservatives - god help us!

[Ayaan]

There are also cultural factors at play here. It it highly unlikely that the wives and daughters of these men would be allowed to talk to an 'outsider.' Not politically correct, but these are not the kind of folks who worry about such things. Also, any person approaching a black community in areas such as this would be viewed with a hell of a lot of suspicion and probably would not be able to find anyone to interview, especially since it was being videoed.

In Mississippi, in many places, you still have the white side of town and the black side of town - and the black side of town is heavily dependent on the white side of town for jobs. Things are changing, but very slowly.

[Coito ergo sum]

No need to get personal. However, I do have reading comprehension skills, and I can see when someone wants it both ways. You said that it did not evidence cherry picking. It most certainly does. It is, by definition, cherry picking.

But, I've about exhausted my points.

Which part of "conceding" slipped your grasp?

Alright, I'm starting to get pissed off now. You wrote, "But that's not sure evidence of cherry-picking." It most certainly is. Conceding that the focused solely on poor, white, racist, males, is a concession of cherry picking.

If over half or Mississipians are female and 1/3 are black, yet the video included an overwhelming majority of white males,

100%, not just an overwhelming majority.

then it can hardly be representative of the actual population.

And, that is most certainly evidence of cherry picking, which you did not concede.

This can be explained by either cherry-picking or by a poor or limited choice of areas in which to conduct the interviews. Either way, it is not representative by gender or race.

That said, both Ayaan and I, who were born and grew up there, assert that the opinions expressed in the interviews are, indeed, the prevailing opinions of the majority of Mississippians.

How can that be, since 42.8% of the population actually voted for Obama. They can't be presumed to have the same opinion as those in the OP video, can they? And, that leaves 57.2% of the population, some of which have to hold a more moderate view than the poor, white, racist, idiots interviewed in the OP. Wouldn't you say?

I think that carries a little more weight than the opinion of someone who has briefly visited only a few of the larger cities in the state. Correct me if I'm wrong on this by demonstrating how the intimacy of your knowledge of the way people think in MS is greater than ours. This should be interesting.

One need not base it on my opinion at all. The numbers don't add up to a majority of the population being represented by those folks in the OP video.

I'm not alleging that my experience is decisive. I'm saying my experience was very positive, and not at all in line with the OP video. What makes me oppose the assertion is not my own experience, though. It's the fact that so many obviously important blocks of the population were left out, that your statement that a MAJORITY of the Mississippi population is like those in the video in the OP does not, to me, stand up to scrutiny. For them to be the majority, then virtually every single man and woman, black and white, of that 57% who did not vote for Obama are like those in the video. That strains credulity, doesn't it?

I am sure there "a lot" of dumbass, white, redneck, toothless rednecks. That I'm not arguing. Most?

[FBM]

Why were no blacks interviewed? Why were no women interviewed? Not cherry picked my ass. Or so such blatant demographic selection not obvious to all you 'progressive' liberals?

Both Ayaan and I grew up there. We both agree that the majority of both males and females share the attitudes and outlooks of the people featured in the video. This is from first-hand experience. Many years of it. What's the more relevant exclusion is the voice of the black people. However, their demographics only comprise about 1/3 of the total population. I'm still not defending the accuracy of the video in the OP; I'm only saying that first-hand experience of Mississippians agrees with the outlook presesnted in the OP. If you doubt this, go to the rural areas of the state (where the vast majority of Mississippians live) and see for yourself. They're largely bogger-eating morons who parrot the opinions of their equally un(der)educated ancestors.They don't value education or intelligence. Or change. They want to see ol' Dixie rise again, including the subjugation of black folks. That's just the way it is in the majority of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana and other former Confederate states. Go see for yourself, if you don't believe Ayaan and me. Just be careful not to spend all your time in the big cities of Jackson, Biloxi and so forth. They have colleges there, and colleges are only good for producing football teams, not for broadening the students' worldviews.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There are also cultural factors at play here. It it highly unlikely that the wives and daughters of these men would be allowed to talk to an 'outsider.' Not politically correct, but these are not the kind of folks who worry about such things. Also, any person approaching a black community in areas such as this would be viewed with a hell of a lot of suspicion and probably would not be able to find anyone to interview, especially since it was being videoed.

In Mississippi, in many places, you still have the white side of town and the black side of town - and the black side of town is heavily dependent on the white side of town for jobs. Things are changing, but very slowly.

Hush, woman!

[Coito ergo sum]

There are also cultural factors at play here. It it highly unlikely that the wives and daughters of these men would be allowed to talk to an 'outsider.' Not politically correct, but these are not the kind of folks who worry about such things.

Of those men, perhaps (if they are even married, which we don't know). So, is the assertion that MOST of the population of the State of Mississippi being like those in the OP, that MOST of the wives and daughters in the State are not allowed to talk to outsiders? The majority?

Also, any person approaching a black community in areas such as this would be viewed with a hell of a lot of suspicion and probably would not be able to find anyone to interview, especially since it was being videoed.

Let's assume that to be the case, which we don't know since they don't disclose the identity of the different areas in which they were interviewing people. But, there are plenty of other places in Mississippi where I am sure that black people are not quavering about talking to people.

In Mississippi, in many places, you still have the white side of town and the black side of town - and the black side of town is heavily dependent on the white side of town for jobs. Things are changing, but very slowly.

You have that in Detroit, Newark, Chicago and New York too.

[Ian]

They have colleges there, and colleges are only good for producing football teams, not for broadening the students' worldviews.

Don't let Brett Favre hear you say that.

[FBM]

No need to get personal. However, I do have reading comprehension skills, and I can see when someone wants it both ways. You said that it did not evidence cherry picking. It most certainly does. It is, by definition, cherry picking.

But, I've about exhausted my points.

Which part of "conceding" slipped your grasp?

Alright, I'm starting to get pissed off now. You wrote, "But that's not sure evidence of cherry-picking." It most certainly is. Conceding that the focused solely on poor, white, racist, males, is a concession of cherry picking.

If over half or Mississipians are female and 1/3 are black, yet the video included an overwhelming majority of white males,

100%, not just an overwhelming majority.

then it can hardly be representative of the actual population.

And, that is most certainly evidence of cherry picking, which you did not concede.

This can be explained by either cherry-picking or by a poor or limited choice of areas in which to conduct the interviews. Either way, it is not representative by gender or race.

That said, both Ayaan and I, who were born and grew up there, assert that the opinions expressed in the interviews are, indeed, the prevailing opinions of the majority of Mississippians.

How can that be, since 42.8% of the population actually voted for Obama. They can't be presumed to have the same opinion as those in the OP video, can they? And, that leaves 57.2% of the population, some of which have to hold a more moderate view than the poor, white, racist, idiots interviewed in the OP. Wouldn't you say?

I think that carries a little more weight than the opinion of someone who has briefly visited only a few of the larger cities in the state. Correct me if I'm wrong on this by demonstrating how the intimacy of your knowledge of the way people think in MS is greater than ours. This should be interesting.

One need not base it on my opinion at all. The numbers don't add up to a majority of the population being represented by those folks in the OP video.

I'm not alleging that my experience is decisive. I'm saying my experience was very positive, and not at all in line with the OP video. What makes me oppose the assertion is not my own experience, though. It's the fact that so many obviously important blocks of the population were left out, that your statement that a MAJORITY of the Mississippi population is like those in the video in the OP does not, to me, stand up to scrutiny. For them to be the majority, then virtually every single man and woman, black and white, of that 57% who did not vote for Obama are like those in the video. That strains credulity, doesn't it?

I am sure there "a lot" of dumbass, white, redneck, toothless rednecks. That I'm not arguing. Most?

You have no clue whatsoever. Go to Mississippi. Spend some time away from the big cities and the college towns. Talk politics to the people you find. It shouldn't take more than a couple of days before you leave the state screaming.

[FBM]

They have colleges there, and colleges are only good for producing football teams, not for broadening the students' worldviews.

Don't let Brett Favre hear you say that.

I was at USM the same time he was there. Never met the guy, tho.

[Coito ergo sum]

Why were no blacks interviewed? Why were no women interviewed? Not cherry picked my ass. Or so such blatant demographic selection not obvious to all you 'progressive' liberals?

Both Ayaan and I grew up there. We both agree that the majority of both males and females share the attitudes and outlooks of the people featured in the video.

If that is true, what majority? What of the nearly 43% of voters who voted for Obama in 2008? If the majority is between 50.1% and 57.2%, then that leaves a sizable chunk of the population still left out. It's still cherry picking if 43% of the population is not like those in the OP video.

This is from first-hand experience. Many years of it. What's the more relevant exclusion is the voice of the black people. However, their demographics only comprise about 1/3 of the total population.

37% is not "only" -- that's a giant chunk of the population, and to leave it out is ipso facto rendering it not representative and cherry picking. Can't you see WHY Pelosi would leave them out? Easy: if she was going to include blacks, she would have to run the risk of having blacks interviewed who were just as stupid, toothless and fucked up as the whites she interviewed, unless of course she would go out of her way to interview educated blacks. Either way, it would not serve the purposes of the video to do that. It comes across better to leave them out altogether.

I'm still not defending the accuracy of the video in the OP; I'm only saying that first-hand experience of Mississippians agrees with the outlook presesnted in the OP. If you doubt this, go to the rural areas of the state (where the vast majority of Mississippians live) and see for yourself. They're largely bogger-eating morons who parrot the opinions of their equally un(der)educated ancestors.They don't value education or intelligence. Or change. They want to see ol' Dixie rise again, including the subjugation of black folks. That's just the way it is in the majority of Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana and other former Confederate states. Go see for yourself, if you don't believe Ayaan and me. Just be careful not to spend all your time in the big cities of Jackson, Biloxi and so forth. They have colleges there, and colleges are only good for producing football teams, not for broadening the students' worldviews.

If 37% of the population is black, then they do not share the racist outlook of the white rednecks in the OP, do they? 59% are white. That leaves 1,711,000 people who are white, and 51% of those are female. That leaves 838,390 white males. Now, not all of those can be toothless racists who are borderline retarded. SOME of those white males need to be of decent intelligence levels attending or living in those college towns you suggest ought to be disregarded.

The white, male demographic represents 28% of the population. The white, male, toothless, racist, idiot, demographic must, by definition, be some smaller subset of that 28%.

So, unless you're claiming that blacks, women, Obama voters, American Indians, Latinos/Hispanics, and other such groups share the views of the MAXIMUM 28% of the population represented by those interviewed, then it can't possibly be that "most" of the population shares those views. Can it?

[Coito ergo sum]

You have no clue whatsoever. Go to Mississippi. Spend some time away from the big cities and the college towns. Talk politics to the people you find. It shouldn't take more than a couple of days before you leave the state screaming.

One -- I told you I've been there. You said my being there was irrelevant.

Two - you asked me where I went there. I told you the major locations -- Jackson, Hattiesburg (which was on the way from Biloxi/Gulfport to Jackson), and I'd also been to Gulfport and Biloxi. You say those aren't the right areas to look in, despite the fact that those are the major population centers, with those counties probably representing about 1/2 of the population of the state.

Three - you say that my personal experience doesn't mean much, because I've only visited there. I agreed with you. I indicated that I'm not relying on personal experience, but rather I'm going by statistical data, and then you tell me to go visit there, even though you have told me that my visiting there isn't worth anything. I suppose, if I say I visited there and agree with you, then my experience would become worth something.

In any case -- bottom line, white males represent only 28% of the population of Mississippi. White, male, near-retarded, racist, idiots, must - must - be a smaller subset of that sex-race subgroup. Not all white males are near-retarded, racist, idiots, even in Mississippi. So, we don't know what that percentage is, but we do know that it is less than 28%. You've agreed that many folks who are not like those folks in the video attend colleges and live in college-influenced towns/cities. Fair enough. Some of those are white males, who are part of that 28%.

If we assume that 1/2 of the white males are represented by those white, male, near-retarded, racist idiots in the OP video, then that leaves only about 425,000 of them, or 14-15% of the population.

[Ayaan]

...since 42.8% of the population actually voted for Obama...

I doubt this means as much as you want it to mean. Most blacks in Mississippi would have voted for Obama because he is black, regardless of his politics - just look at who has been elected to office inside the state, even in districts that are majority black. Most whites in Mississippi would have voted against Obama because he is black, regardless of his politics. People voting against their own interest is hardly a new phenomenon - although from your posts you seem to be assuming that never happens. Then you have that small group who has taken the time and made the effort to learn something about the world and politics outside of Mississippi who actually liked what Obama was saying and voted for him based on that. That is the way life is in Mississippi. It is a place where I am called 'hon,' church parking lots are full to overflowing on Sunday's, liberals are suspect, knowledge of the world at large is almost nonexistent, and racism is alive and well.

I fucking fought my way out of that stifling, inward-looking, 'Praise Jesus!,' 'Anyone who wants to change things is a commie,' 'Learnin' is a waste of time,' backwards culture to find myself with a world of knowledge and ideas to explore - knowing that put me out of step with damn near every person I knew. That was when I was living in a suburb of Jackson - where I was shunned, had my tires slashed, and cats killed for just being suspected of being an atheist (I was seen reading a book about atheism). Had I been living in one of the small towns the people in the videos populate, it would have been worse.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Mississippi: Tribal USA.

[Ayaan]

Mississippi: Tribal USA.

[Coito ergo sum]

...since 42.8% of the population actually voted for Obama...

I doubt this means as much as you want it to mean. Most blacks in Mississippi would have voted for Obama because he is black, regardless of his politics

Perhaps. But, that doesn't change the fact that blacks in Mississippi don't share the views of the white, toothless, male, racist/bigoted, jackasses in the OP video, does it? And, it doesn't, from the standpoint of the video being a cherry picking effort, matter why they voted for Obama. The fact is, leaving out 37% of the population, by itself, renders the video non-representative. And, leaving out both blacks and women from the depiction of a bunch of idiots, is plainly cherry picking.

Can you at least see how it would not serve Pelosi's agenda if they interviewed 8 dumbass, hick, redneck, toothless women saying stupid shit, and 6 dumbass hick or ghetto blacks, toothless, and idiotic? Isn't that plain to see that if you just included that demographic spread, it would show a completely different picture?

- just look at who has been elected to office inside the state, even in districts that are majority black. Most whites in Mississippi would have voted against Obama because he is black, regardless of his politics.

Most, but not all. Some whites voted for Obama. The numbers REQUIRE that because a greater percentage of the population voted for Obama than there are blacks in the State. So, SOME of the 59% of the population that is white MUST have voted for Obama.

People voting against their own interest is hardly a new phenomenon - although from your posts you seem to be assuming that never happens.

No, that is not anything that I've suggested. I've said the opposite, actually. I've pointed out that it DOES happen, not only among white, racist, redneck, dumbass Republicans in the deep south, but also in the inner cities. The point is, the video tries to suggest that it is odd that they would "keep voting Republican" when they are still poor. The VIDEO is implying that it is surprising or funny that it happens.

The rest of your post related to your experience living there. I can't debate your experience, nor will I try. It sounds like it sucked.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If you like living in the 19th century it's not that bad.