The Brits Drop Another Notch

[mistermack]

First you call me a racist, and now a liar?

Yes, you tell lies. You just did. You know I didn't call you a racist, yet you post that.
Pants very much on fire.
Thanks for proving it yourself
You just can't help yourself, can you?

[Coito ergo sum]

Most Brazilians are white -- I posted evidence - even Pappa's stat regarding genetics showed 52% European descent - check the link I posted, which shows higher than that.

No, it showed that in census self-reporting, 52% claim to be of European decent.

People lie about their descent?

But, the link I gave showed higher numbers than that.

Bottom line - they're not latino. Only 7.4% are black. And, I was accused of racism because I made a joking, negative reference to Brazlilians. I was told that it's racist because Brazillian has brown and black people and therefore can't compete with white people - that's apparently what I was supposed to have said. I'm not a racist in the least.

I'm off to go to dinner with a dozen Brazilian immigrants, by the way. We'll be speaking Portuguese. There is brown one in the group, but her father was from India, so she has that Indian skin tone to some extent. The rest are white. Oh, one is part Japanese.

I think I'll have a Caipirinha tonight -- mmmmm..... hope we go somewhere where they have Cachaca. For anyone wanting to try to the national drink of Brazil - take a healthy shot of Cachaca over ice, put in a couple spoons of sugar. Cut half a lime into 4 slices, squeeze some of the juice in there, and drop the limes in. Cachaca is a kind of Brazilian rum made out of pure sugar cane (not molasses).

Make the same thing with vodka and it's a Caipiroska. Tasty, too, if you have no Cachaca (pronounced Ka-sha-sa).

Peace be unto you, Pappa.

[Coito ergo sum]

First you call me a racist, and now a liar?

Yes, you tell lies. You just did. You know I didn't call you a racist, yet you post that.

Veiling your allegation doesn't change what you were doing. Your reference to be thinking black and brown people can't compete with white Europeans? What did you mean by that, if not racism?

You're trying to squirm out of it. But, it won't work.

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Pants very much on fire.

Do you retract your allegation? You retract your assertion that what I said implied that brown and black Brazlians can't compete with white Europeans?

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Thanks for proving it yourself
You just can't help yourself, can you?

You've proven that it's not just stupidity with you, but you add a healthy dose of cupidity and calumny.

[mistermack]

You've proven that it's not just stupidity with you

I would worry more about that, if it didn't come from someone who writes such blatant lies.

[Pappa]

Most Brazilians are white -- I posted evidence - even Pappa's stat regarding genetics showed 52% European descent - check the link I posted, which shows higher than that.

No, it showed that in census self-reporting, 52% claim to be of European decent.

People lie about their descent?

But, the link I gave showed higher numbers than that.

Bottom line - they're not latino. Only 7.4% are black. And, I was accused of racism because I made a joking, negative reference to Brazlilians. I was told that it's racist because Brazillian has brown and black people and therefore can't compete with white people - that's apparently what I was supposed to have said. I'm not a racist in the least.

I'm off to go to dinner with a dozen Brazilian immigrants, by the way. We'll be speaking Portuguese. There is brown one in the group, but her father was from India, so she has that Indian skin tone to some extent. The rest are white. Oh, one is part Japanese.

I think I'll have a Caipirinha tonight -- mmmmm..... hope we go somewhere where they have Cachaca. For anyone wanting to try to the national drink of Brazil - take a healthy shot of Cachaca over ice, put in a couple spoons of sugar. Cut half a lime into 4 slices, squeeze some of the juice in there, and drop the limes in. Cachaca is a kind of Brazilian rum made out of pure sugar cane (not molasses).

Make the same thing with vodka and it's a Caipiroska. Tasty, too, if you have no Cachaca (pronounced Ka-sha-sa).

Peace be unto you, Pappa.

Maybe some people might lie about their descent, or not answer factually for a variety of other reasons. Yes, you posted some figures that contradicted mine, but that doesn't mean yours (or mine) are completely accurate. The figures I posted suggest that the majority of Brazilians are of mixed descent, and so do the figures you posted. Your figures don't say that 60%-77% of the population are white, they say that overall 60%-77% of the genetic heritage of those populations is white European. That still means mixed race. The figures I used come from this: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S01 ... g=en#tab06

[mistermack]

The figures I posted suggest that the majority of Brazilians are of mixed descent, and so do the figures you posted. Your figures don't say that 60%-77% of the population are white, they say that overall 60%-77% of the genetic heritage of those populations is white European. That still means mixed race. The figures I used come from this: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S01 ... g=en#tab06

Just a basic glance at Coito's article reveals that it's figures don't apply to Brazil as a whole.
It's a study done in ONE school, in Rio state.
It's a select school. The parents are from the highly educated portion of society. These kids are simply not representative of Brazil as a whole.
It's hardly surprising that the results have a higher figure for European dna.

But as you said, even these figures reveal that the vast majority in this school are mixed race, or Mulatto, to use Coito's own word of choice.
Coito knows that perfectly well. But that doesn't deter him from saying the opposite.

[Coito ergo sum]

Maybe some people might lie about their descent, or not answer factually for a variety of other reasons. Yes, you posted some figures that contradicted mine, but that doesn't mean yours (or mine) are completely accurate. The figures I posted suggest that the majority of Brazilians are of mixed descent, and so do the figures you posted. Your figures don't say that 60%-77% of the population are white, they say that overall 60%-77% of the genetic heritage of those populations is white European. That still means mixed race. The figures I used come from this: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S01 ... g=en#tab06

Nor does the complete accuracy of the figures change the fact that according to each of our figures, most Brazilians are either "not brown/black" or "answer poll questions with the answer that they are not brown/black."

It most certainly is not, as mistermack alleged, a brown/black country, and if I call Brazilians anything -- like if I said "Brazilians think that bigger means better", or something like that, it wouldn't be "racist," or "not far from racism." If it were, then calling Americans fat is racist or saying Americans think that bigger means better would be racist.

In any case, Pappa, i probably overreacted to mistermack's nonsense. I'll stop going down that trail.

Signing off. No caipirinha for me, unfortunately, as we are are going to be a dozen Brazilians, and me, speaking Portuguese in a Korean restaurant. I'm such a racist, I know...

Have a great night.

[mistermack]

It most certainly is not, as mistermack alleged, a brown/black country,

I didn't say that. You just lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.

I'm only trying to help you, as you obviously can't help yourself.

[Ronja]

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To everyone in this thread: it's getting a bit heated - please pay attention to the Play Nice rule. Thank you!