The Brits Drop Another Notch

[mistermack]

So, the contemptuous comment "Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude. " was based on what? A comment by Charles De Gaul, and a comment on the 60 minutes show?

That's how you judge countries these days. apparently.

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

As is Barak Obama.

You showed clear contempt for Brazil and Brazilians in your comment, and you haven't given much of a reason, except a comment by Charles De Gaul and a comment on the 60 minutes show.

Your reasoning is ludicrous. I didn't say racist, I said not far short of racist. You see it as shameful to fall behind Brazil. I think I made a fair comment.

[Svartalf]

Sandi can't avoid taking things seriously.

[Pappa]

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

According to DNA analysis, 45% of Brazilians have 90%+ African DNA, 56% have 50%+ African DNA and 86% have 10%+ African DNA. In census self-reporting almost 52% claim to be of white European origin and almost 43% claim to be Pardo ("brown" or mixed race).

[sandinista]

Sandi can't avoid taking things seriously.

sure I can, coito is an example.

[JimC]

So, the contemptuous comment "Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude. " was based on what? A comment by Charles De Gaul, and a comment on the 60 minutes show?

That's how you judge countries these days. apparently.

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

As is Barak Obama.

You showed clear contempt for Brazil and Brazilians in your comment, and you haven't given much of a reason, except a comment by Charles De Gaul and a comment on the 60 minutes show.

Your reasoning is ludicrous. I didn't say racist, I said not far short of racist. You see it as shameful to fall behind Brazil. I think I made a fair comment.

I agree you made a fair comment, not alleging racism, but a certain humorous contempt...

[mistermack]

I agree you made a fair comment, not alleging racism, but a certain humorous contempt...

That's about it. Just for the record, I didn't and wouldn't accuse Coito of racism. I'm quite sure he isn't. He just repeated his old trick of arguing with something I didn't say.

One comment doesn't make a person racist anyway. A white girl I know once warned me not to let an apartment to "the black girls from round here". She said I would have a lot of trouble getting the rent. A lot of people might say that was racist, but she was brought up in a black family, had only ever had black boyfriends, and was pregnant at the time with a child by a black boyfriend.
She was just stating what she considered to be a fact.

I could say that that comment was "not far short of racist", some would say it was racist. But she was certainly in no way racist.

Anyway, on the subject of GDP, Brazil has probably been ahead of the UK for years, in real terms.

Much of the country's production is not counted, as it's home produced food and goods and services that never get taxed or recorded. Many people feed their families and make and swap goods without cash, or without the transaction being recorded.

If all of that activity was translated to British prices, the Brazilian enconomy would dwarf that of the UK.
Bare numbers don't tell the whole story.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

According to DNA analysis, 45% of Brazilians have 90%+ African DNA, 56% have 50%+ African DNA and 86% have 10%+ African DNA. In census self-reporting almost 52% claim to be of white European origin and almost 43% claim to be Pardo ("brown" or mixed race).

Last time I visited Rio this was very apparent. Great city, surrounded by the most horrific slums.

[Coito ergo sum]

So, the contemptuous comment "Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude. " was based on what? A comment by Charles De Gaul, and a comment on the 60 minutes show?

No - it's based on an in depth knowledge of Brazil and its overall culture. And, it was a joke. So fuck off with this self-righteous shit.

That's how you judge countries these days. apparently.

You have the nerve to criticize my reference to Brazil as a country, and yet you have no trouble referring negatively to Americans, who, apparently in your view think everything that is bigger is better. So, it's o.k. for you to do that, but don't make any generalized reference to Brazil? You are a silly boy.

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

As is Barak Obama.

So what. Most Brazilians are white, not mulatto. Obama is mulatto.

You showed clear contempt for Brazil and Brazilians in your comment,

LOL - let's assume for a moment that I did, even though I did not -- so fucking what dude? You showed clear contempt for the US and Americans in your comment. So fuck off.

It was, incidentally, Brazilians who first explained to me what Brazilian culture was like. That was before I had actually gone there and experienced it first hand. So, I'm not just making things up, like you. I actually know what I'm talking about, and I actually know Brazilians, I've been to Brazil many times, and I do business with people in Brazil.

and you haven't given much of a reason, except a comment by Charles De Gaul and a comment on the 60 minutes show.

The comment on the 60 minutes show was by a Brazilian who lives and works in Rio. And, that was one example of many.

You haven't given ANY reason, except your own flatulence, for your assertions about Americans.

Mine isn't even a negative comment. Talk to a Brazilian. They enjoy their laid back culture -- the culture in Rio is especially laid back, to the point that other Brazilians think folks in Rio don't work and they jog along Copacabana and surf in the water instead. Sao Paulo has more of a work ethic reputation.

Your reasoning is ludicrous. I didn't say racist, I said not far short of racist. You see it as shameful to fall behind Brazil. I think I made a fair comment.

LOL -- far short of racist. First of all, making a comment about Brazil or its economy is not "racist" or anything close to racist. If it is, then your comment about "Americans" would also be "not far short of racist." Brazilian is a nationality, not a race. Most Brazilians are white, of European descent. Some are black. Some are of native peoples - the two main groups being the Tupi and the Guarani peoples, and there are a very few Jews in Brazil. A fair amount of Japanese live in Brazil too. So, they have many minority groups, but the main chunk is white. So, to suggest that a comment about Brazil being almost racist is ridiculous - if anything, it shows you to be "not too far short of racist" since you assume, apparently, that any country in south America must be predominantly populated by "brown and black" people. THAT is a "racist" assumption.

[Coito ergo sum]

First of all, you don't know jack shit about Brazil. Brazilians are not "brown" like latinos, and most Brazilians are white European descent,

According to DNA analysis, 45% of Brazilians have 90%+ African DNA, 56% have 50%+ African DNA and 86% have 10%+ African DNA. In census self-reporting almost 52% claim to be of white European origin and almost 43% claim to be Pardo ("brown" or mixed race).

"In all regions studied, the European ancestry was predominant, with proportions ranging from 60.6% in the Northeast to 77.7% in the South".

http://www4.ensp.fiocruz.br/informe/anexos/ric.pdf

[Coito ergo sum]

. Great city, surrounded by the most horrific slums.

Very true. It's strikingly beautiful. If you went up to the Christ statue, you likely saw the amazing views up that road where the trolley line is. The views from the Christ statue itself are incomparable, as are the views from Sugar Loaf. There are quaint streets where some of the more well-to-do Rio residents live perched right on the edge of a cliff.

Then...of course...are the horrific slums -- the favelas -- which make one's skin crawl. It is a real eye-opener.

Also, the last time I was there, I was talking about Rio with a friend of a friend and business associate -- the guy is an environmental engineer and he did a lot of testing in the water around Rio. If you go there -- do NOT -- repeat -- do NOT go in the water at Copacabana Beach or Ipanema Beach....just don't.

[Coito ergo sum]

This was meant to be a humorous topic and its all getting a bit a silly

Very true. Mistermack has a way of getting under my skin.

I apologize to all.

[mistermack]

So what. Most Brazilians are white, not mulatto. Obama is mulatto.

Not true and you know it's not true. I've said before that you would argue that black was white, rather than admit you're wrong. You very nearly got there with that whopper.

You don't have the honesty to make you worth my time. As nothing you write can be trusted as even sincere, I regard it all as bollocks unless somebody else confirms it.

You're just basically trolling.

[Coito ergo sum]

So what. Most Brazilians are white, not mulatto. Obama is mulatto.

Not true and you know it's not true. I've said before that you would argue that black was white, rather than admit you're wrong. You very nearly got there with that whopper.

Most Brazilians are white -- I posted evidence - even Pappa's stat regarding genetics showed 52% European descent - check the link I posted, which shows higher than that.

Obama has a black father and a white mother. Mulatto (n) A person of mixed white and black ancestry, esp. a person with one white and one black parent.

So, what's not true?

You don't have the honesty to make you worth my time.

Fuck off. I'm sick of you. First you call me a racist, and now a liar? Why don't you try sticking your head up your ass, and see if it fits?

As nothing you write can be trusted as even sincere, I regard it all as bollocks unless somebody else confirms it.
You're just basically trolling.

I don't give a flying fuck what you "regard." You are either uneducated, or just dim.

[PsychoSerenity]

Meh. This pointless bickering was entertaining for a brief moment. Long since past.

Stop it both of you, or I'll bang yers 'eads together!

[Pappa]

Most Brazilians are white -- I posted evidence - even Pappa's stat regarding genetics showed 52% European descent - check the link I posted, which shows higher than that.

No, it showed that in census self-reporting, 52% claim to be of European descent.