The Brits Drop Another Notch

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:04 am

MrJonno wrote:Wouldnt want to live anywhere that didnt have decent public transport including drivers who are sober, basically most of Western Europe capitals and New York.
Never forget when I was in Atlanta and the police said I was insane for travelling after dark while white on the Marta
Well, Sao Paulo has a good subway system, and they have a lot of buses in Brazil. Beautiful country there. But, the culture is way different, and you'd be a gringo to them.

Most people are nice, but there is a lot of crime in Brazil, and the police are not responsive.

If you have good money and can live in good, secure housing, you'd be fine.

I've seen some places there, however, where non-well-to-do Brazilians live, and it'll make you nauseous.

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by mistermack » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:57 am

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MrJonno wrote:Well as a Brit I still think well done Brazil, the growth in their economy is hardly at the cost of our own.
Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude.
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When is China likely to be the biggest economy can't remember if was next decade or the one after. Still going to be pretty poor considering their population size
Not sure. The US GDP is about 3 times that of China.
You're acting like the stereotypical yank there. Why is pride and self respect dependent on a pecking order of size?
It seems to be drummed into Americans that biggest is best. But the USA is only the biggest economy that's united politically. The EU has a bigger GDP but is more loosely tied politically.

And China is not that far behind the US or the EU in real spending power. (PPP)

The US GDP is rather false, because most of it involves domestic spending at inflated rates.

If China allowed it's currency to rise in value as the US keeps begging it to, it's GDP wouldn't be so much less than that of the US or the EU. They are sacrificing nominal GDP size for actual growth.

Britain has done something similar on a smaller scale. The pound has been allowed to drop, to avoid recession, so the nominal GDP has fallen in the league table.
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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:57 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
MrJonno wrote:Well as a Brit I still think well done Brazil, the growth in their economy is hardly at the cost of our own.
Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude.
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When is China likely to be the biggest economy can't remember if was next decade or the one after. Still going to be pretty poor considering their population size
Not sure. The US GDP is about 3 times that of China.
You're acting like the stereotypical yank there. Why is pride and self respect dependent on a pecking order of size?
You're acting like the stereotypical Brit, not thinking straight. The question was "When is China likely to be the biggest economy can't remember if was next decade or the one after. Still going to be pretty poor considering their population size." I answered it "Not sure. The US GDP is about 3 times that of China." Which indicates that there is a long way to go before China becomes the biggest economy.

That doesn't have a thing to do with pride or self-respect. It's just the size of the economy, and if someone asks "when with China's economy be bigger than the US's economy?" I am not quite sure how else to answer that except by looking at the relative sizes of the economy.

Maybe your superior Britishness, over and above my stereotypical Yankness, can suggest what other criteria other than economy size might be relevant to the question of when China's economy will be bigger.
mistermack wrote: It seems to be drummed into Americans that biggest is best.
It seems to be drummed into Brits that when people are talking about the size of something, they must necessarily also be placing a value judgment on that size.

I.e. - who said anything about "best?"
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But the USA is only the biggest economy that's united politically. The EU has a bigger GDP but is more loosely tied politically.
Are you saying Europe is better because it is bigger? :{D

"But the USA is only the biggest economy that is united politically." Well, duh. That's what the numbers are comparing when they compare economies - they are economies of countries. If you want to talk about region economic size, then we'll throw in Mexico and Canada - heck - we'll just include all of South America too. There, now we have the biggest economy that is not united politically.
mistermack wrote:
And China is not that far behind the US or the EU in real spending power. (PPP)
That isn't a measure of the size of an economy, although it is true.
mistermack wrote:
The US GDP is rather false, because most of it involves domestic spending at inflated rates.
Does that also apply to the EU?

I'll leave you to your proofs. The US economy accounts for 1/4 of the world economy.
mistermack wrote:
If China allowed it's currency to rise in value as the US keeps begging it to, it's GDP wouldn't be so much less than that of the US or the EU. They are sacrificing nominal GDP size for actual growth.
I'll leave you to your proofs.

Are you suggesting that China is nearing the US and the EU in actual economic output?
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Britain has done something similar on a smaller scale. The pound has been allowed to drop, to avoid recession, so the nominal GDP has fallen in the league table.
Yes yes. We know. The US economy pales in comparison to the proper British (and European) economy.

I love how you start off this nonsense with an allegation that I was saying the US economy was better because it was bigger, even though I never said that, and then you excoriated me saying that it was "stereotypical" that Americans think that their bigger stuff means they are better. Then you proceeded to lay out this case you have that the European and the British economies are actually way better than the American economy because the American economy is false and inflated, whereas your proper economies are not. :fp:

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by mistermack » Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:27 am

Coito ergo sum wrote: You're acting like the stereotypical Brit, not thinking straight. The question was "When is China likely to be the biggest economy can't remember if was next decade or the one after. Still going to be pretty poor considering their population size." I answered it "Not sure. The US GDP is about 3 times that of China." Which indicates that there is a long way to go before China becomes the biggest economy.

That doesn't have a thing to do with pride or self-respect. It's just the size of the economy, and if someone asks "when with China's economy be bigger than the US's economy?" I am not quite sure how else to answer that except by looking at the relative sizes of the economy.
You are incredible. You don't just ignore what you said, you actually quote it and still ignore it, as if it doesn't exist. So I'll try to aid your memory :
Coito ergo sum wrote: Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude.
You clearly equated accepting losing a place in the GDP list to Brazil with a lack of pride and self respect. Perhaps you are suffering from selective amnesia.
And that is exactly the point I made, about your pathetic American belief of bigger being better.

It's pointless debating with you, when you can ignore and deny your own post, after actually QUOTING IT !!!
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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by laklak » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:15 am

Don't forget our shitty beer and mustard, CES.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by JimC » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:15 am

This is silly and divisive. When the evil reptiloid aliens arrive here, they should find a united human race, ready to give them a damn good run for their money...

Instead, it will be divide and conquer as usual... :nono:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:22 am

JimC wrote:This is silly and divisive. When the evil reptiloid aliens arrive here, they should find a united human race, ready to give them a damn good run for their money...

Instead, it will be divide and conquer as usual... :nono:
The aliens will arrive and one month later each of their starships will have a McDonalds and a Starbucks....
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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by JimC » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:26 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:This is silly and divisive. When the evil reptiloid aliens arrive here, they should find a united human race, ready to give them a damn good run for their money...

Instead, it will be divide and conquer as usual... :nono:
The aliens will arrive and one month later each of their starships will have a McDonalds and a Starbucks....
And the McDonalds will serve human burgers...
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:29 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:This is silly and divisive. When the evil reptiloid aliens arrive here, they should find a united human race, ready to give them a damn good run for their money...

Instead, it will be divide and conquer as usual... :nono:
The aliens will arrive and one month later each of their starships will have a McDonalds and a Starbucks....
And the McDonalds will serve human burgers...
Which wil STILL taste precisely of nothing....
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:38 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:This is silly and divisive. When the evil reptiloid aliens arrive here, they should find a united human race, ready to give them a damn good run for their money...

Instead, it will be divide and conquer as usual... :nono:
The aliens will arrive and one month later each of their starships will have a McDonalds and a Starbucks....
And the McDonalds will serve human burgers...
Which wil STILL taste precisely of nothing....
I remember seeing a Gahan Wilson cartoon: Two men standing outside a burger joint with the name "MR. BIG BUN".

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:57 pm

laklak wrote:Don't forget our shitty beer and mustard, CES.
I know, I know. And, our crappy "fries" which aren't proper "chips."

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:00 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
laklak wrote:Don't forget our shitty beer and mustard, CES.
I know, I know. And, our crappy "fries" which aren't proper "chips."
And the awful chocolate.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:03 pm

mistermack wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: You're acting like the stereotypical Brit, not thinking straight. The question was "When is China likely to be the biggest economy can't remember if was next decade or the one after. Still going to be pretty poor considering their population size." I answered it "Not sure. The US GDP is about 3 times that of China." Which indicates that there is a long way to go before China becomes the biggest economy.

That doesn't have a thing to do with pride or self-respect. It's just the size of the economy, and if someone asks "when with China's economy be bigger than the US's economy?" I am not quite sure how else to answer that except by looking at the relative sizes of the economy.
You are incredible. You don't just ignore what you said, you actually quote it and still ignore it, as if it doesn't exist. So I'll try to aid your memory :
Coito ergo sum wrote: Your own economy? No. But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter... I mean...it's Brazil, dude.
You clearly equated accepting losing a place in the GDP list to Brazil with a lack of pride and self respect. Perhaps you are suffering from selective amnesia.
And that is exactly the point I made, about your pathetic American belief of bigger being better.

It's pointless debating with you, when you can ignore and deny your own post, after actually QUOTING IT !!!
Psst...psst...

...your attention span needs to be improved, so that you can reach the end of sentences....
But, your pride and self-respect? That's another matter..
i.e. that is another matter apart from the size of the economy.

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Re: The Brits Drop Another Notch

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:07 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
laklak wrote:Don't forget our shitty beer and mustard, CES.
I know, I know. And, our crappy "fries" which aren't proper "chips."
And the awful chocolate.
With Cadbury eggs at 5/$2.78 we have that problem sussed. :tut:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:08 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
laklak wrote:Don't forget our shitty beer and mustard, CES.
I know, I know. And, our crappy "fries" which aren't proper "chips."
And the awful chocolate.
With Cadbury eggs at 5/$2.78 we have that problem sussed. :tut:
I haven't had one of those for ages.......and of course now I want one.
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