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Re: So Brave!

Postby Svartalf » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:41 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Is it just me or does it look a bit.....you know.......Scottish?

I noticed that too... except it's even less authentic than braveheart.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby hadespussercats » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:43 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Is it just me or does it look a bit.....you know.......Scottish?

I noticed that too... except it's even less authentic than braveheart.

Because fantasy is supposed to be authentic.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Animavore » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:44 pm

Mulan with kilts.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby hadespussercats » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:48 pm

Animavore wrote:Mulan with kilts.

You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby hadespussercats » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:55 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:I totally want to see it.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=33461&hilit=+brave

Maybe I should merge?


Sure, but what's so awesome looking about it? Looks like pretty standard fare, and the animation is Shrekish.

I will answer more fully, after the merge.

So. My first response got eaten. Don't know why.

When you say standard fare, what do you mean? If you're saying that the story is a recognizable trope from fairy tale and fantasy stories, I agree. I don't see that as a drawback. And I like the move to create a "princess" character who is a hero-- an instigator of action, a fighter. Disney needs more of those sorts of characters.

As for the drawing, I can see why you think it looks a bit Shrekish. Again, I don't see why that's a drawback. I really enjoyed the first two Shrek movies. And the two films probably share some staff artists.

I don't reject an Anime film I haven't seen because it has stylistic resemblances to every other Anime film I've seen. Why would I do that here?

Well, maybe you don't enjoy anime, either, so we'll leave that there.

Besides which, the clips of landscape shown in the trailer are stunning. I think they are grander than anything I remember from Shrek.

Brave looks fun, and exciting, and I like adventure tales set in Scotland. There.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:56 pm

If it was going to be authentic, she should be dressed like this: Image
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Re: So Brave!

Postby hadespussercats » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:57 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:If it was going to be authentic, she should be dressed like this: Image

It's a movie geared towards girls-- not the men who like to look at girls.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Ronja » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:58 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Animavore wrote:Mulan with kilts.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

So what? He does not have to watch it if he's not interested. :dunno:

I'm looking forward to a girls' night out with the kids when this hits the cinemas here. :dance:
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Animavore » Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:58 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Animavore wrote:Mulan with kilts.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I was completely neutral :ddpan:
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Re: "Brave" looks awesome. Aye.

Postby Ronja » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:02 pm

tattuchu wrote:
amused wrote:It better not be How to Train Your Dragon with bears. That would blow. If not, looks good so far. And yeah, Billy Connolly!


I does look uncomfortably similar to How to Train Your Dragon, now you mention it.

Our daughters, ED especially, have just informed us that there is no such thing as too much of How to Train Your Dragon.

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Re: So Brave!

Postby Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:02 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:I totally want to see it.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... lit=+brave

Maybe I should merge?


Sure, but what's so awesome looking about it? Looks like pretty standard fare, and the animation is Shrekish.

I will answer more fully, after the merge.

So. My first response got eaten. Don't know why.

When you say standard fare, what do you mean? If you're saying that the story is a recognizable trope from fairy tale and fantasy stories, I agree. I don't see that as a drawback. And I like the move to create a "princess" character who is a hero-- an instigator of action, a fighter. Disney needs more of those sorts of characters.


If they go that route, they may have a "violence against women" problem to deal with. A fighter often has folks fighting back.

hadespussercats wrote:
As for the drawing, I can see why you think it looks a bit Shrekish. Again, I don't see why that's a drawback. I really enjoyed the first two Shrek movies. And the two films probably share some staff artists.

I don't reject an Anime film I haven't seen because it has stylistic resemblances to every other Anime film I've seen. Why would I do that here?

Well, maybe you don't enjoy anime, either, so we'll leave that there.


I hate the look of Anime. Reminds me of Japanese cartoon porn. I half-expect an octopus tentacle to appear...

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Besides which, the clips of landscape shown in the trailer are stunning. I think they are grander than anything I remember from Shrek.

Brave looks fun, and exciting, and I like adventure tales set in Scotland. There.


Alrighty then. Perhaps it will be. I get the impression that they still haven't figured out how to make a film about a "strong woman" without in some way denigrating males. That seems to be difficult across the field of movies and television. Strong women are always married to dopey, fat, befuddled men. Here, in Brave, the clip shows three male characters, all drawn ugly, stupid, clumsy, lazy and ineffectual. I don't know why they can't have a strong female lead who beats normal, non-ridiculous males.

Look at the king too - fat - silly and stupid. The queen is strong and attractively drawn. The male "firstborn" characters - fat and/or dopey - befuddled and clumsy. The Brave girl, drawn attractively, etc.
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Coito ergo sum » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:04 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:If it was going to be authentic, she should be dressed like this: Image

It's a movie geared towards girls-- not the men who like to look at girls.


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Re: "Brave" looks awesome. Aye.

Postby Animavore » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:06 pm

Ronja wrote:
tattuchu wrote:
amused wrote:It better not be How to Train Your Dragon with bears. That would blow. If not, looks good so far. And yeah, Billy Connolly!


I does look uncomfortably similar to How to Train Your Dragon, now you mention it.

Our daughters, ED especially, have just informed us that there is no such thing as too much of How to Train Your Dragon.

The things one learns with age... :biggrin:

Tell her to lie down. When she is lying comfortably place a DVD or book of How To Train Your Dragon on top of her. Add another. Then another. Another still... and keep adding until she says 'no more'. Stand over her as she struggles to dislodge herself and quite sternly say, "You were wrong." Send to bed without supper to think over her mistake.

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Re: So Brave!

Postby Ronja » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:07 pm

Especially armchair parenting... :coffee:
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Re: So Brave!

Postby Animavore » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:09 pm

You keep them under there too?
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