Killing Babies?

[Coito ergo sum]

Yes, we'll have infant killings be permitted, but of course, only if done in an egalitarian manner. If people want to kill their babies for the wrong reasons, then we'll be outraged and demand regulation of such thoughts.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

300 was a weird film, somehow the Spartan intolerant child murderers were the good guys but the Persians who were quite happy to give anyone a chance in their society including the seriously handicapped were the bad guys.

Basically while very flashy that whole film was a Fascist propaganda piece

The degenerate Ephors were, in point of fact, elected to a two-year position in that job, it was not hereditary.

I disagree that the Persians should be seen as the good(er) guys, living on one's knees is not integration into the social group.

[hadespussercats]

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

There are plenty of people with Downs who lead full and happy lives. I hope you're just being shocking for personal amusement.

[Drewish]

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

There are plenty of people with Downs who lead full and happy lives. I hope you're just being shocking for personal amusement.

This is being shocking for personal amusement:



Seriously though. I'm not saying that all people with downs should be killed. I was using it as an example of when parents might want to abort, or when they might not want a child. I mean we can't always see when a child is going to have issues. Say you have a young baby boy. He comes out appearing perfect. And then the severe autism sets in and it becomes clear that it's going to be near human vegetable son from here on in. Should you have to suffer your whole life to care for this being? Does it make you a horrible person if you don't? In my mind if you're still entirely dependent on others for your care and you can't afford to pay them (so you depend on the charity of others to survive) then you're not a really an independent being. Society doesn't need more problem people sucking up resources. If parents want to raise a child, then fine. But they shouldn't be forced to, and I shouldn't be forced (through taxation) to pay for other people's mistakes (kids). I mean that seriously and honestly.

[hadespussercats]

Does it make you a horrible person if you don't?

Yes.

[Drewish]

Does it make you a horrible person if you don't?

Yes.

If I knocked a girl up and the tests came back saying the child hadn't developed properly and would be deformed, so we decided to abort based on that, are we horrible people?

[Coito ergo sum]

Does it make you a horrible person if you don't?

Yes.

Doesn't killing the baby make one a horrible person, irrespective of the reason? Or, are some baby killers fine and dandy?

I killed my baby because I wasn't ready to be a parent. Awesome! Here's a pat on the back for you!

I killed my baby because he had a genetic disorder. You horrible person.

[Coito ergo sum]

Does it make you a horrible person if you don't?

Yes.

If I knocked a girl up and the tests came back saying the child hadn't developed properly and would be deformed, so we decided to abort based on that, are we horrible people?

Yes, but if you lie and say you did it for no reason at all or because you just weren't ready to be parents, then it would be fine.

Oh, and by the way, as a male, the only acceptable opinion for you to have is "I support her in any decision that she makes. If she has the abortion, I will tell her how wonderful and brave she is. And, if she has the baby, I will pay for it with a smile on my face for the next 18 years, minimum."

[PsychoSerenity]

It's not a black and white issue. You can't just say it's either this or this and people must pick one answer to cover all circumstances.

[Drewish]

It's not a black and white issue. You can't just say it's either this or this and people must pick one answer to cover all circumstances.

If somebody's going to say that I'm a horrible person though, then perhaps they can then answer the clarifying questions being asked. Sorry, but this is too far into the gritty details to play the, "We can both be right!" card. If somebody is going to condemn me and my positions as horrific, while rejecting laws put forth by others to restrict people from doing things that they find horrific, while also wanting laws to restrict what I can do, then I think I damn well can expect an explanation for why I'm supposedly such a horrible person.

[Pappa]

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

You ever met anyone with Downs? They're real people you know.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

You ever met anyone with Downs? They're real people you know.

Life, Libertarian, and the American Way.

[Pappa]

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

There are plenty of people with Downs who lead full and happy lives. I hope you're just being shocking for personal amusement.

This is being shocking for personal amusement:



Seriously though. I'm not saying that all people with downs should be killed. I was using it as an example of when parents might want to abort, or when they might not want a child. I mean we can't always see when a child is going to have issues. Say you have a young baby boy. He comes out appearing perfect. And then the severe autism sets in and it becomes clear that it's going to be near human vegetable son from here on in. Should you have to suffer your whole life to care for this being? Does it make you a horrible person if you don't? In my mind if you're still entirely dependent on others for your care and you can't afford to pay them (so you depend on the charity of others to survive) then you're not a really an independent being. Society doesn't need more problem people sucking up resources. If parents want to raise a child, then fine. But they shouldn't be forced to, and I shouldn't be forced (through taxation) to pay for other people's mistakes (kids). I mean that seriously and honestly.

By the same logic, if you raised a kids that was showing signs of becoming an antisocial arsehole, why not just kill him and save yourself (and society) the hassle.

[Drewish]

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.

There are plenty of people with Downs who lead full and happy lives. I hope you're just being shocking for personal amusement.

This is being shocking for personal amusement:



Seriously though. I'm not saying that all people with downs should be killed. I was using it as an example of when parents might want to abort, or when they might not want a child. I mean we can't always see when a child is going to have issues. Say you have a young baby boy. He comes out appearing perfect. And then the severe autism sets in and it becomes clear that it's going to be near human vegetable son from here on in. Should you have to suffer your whole life to care for this being? Does it make you a horrible person if you don't? In my mind if you're still entirely dependent on others for your care and you can't afford to pay them (so you depend on the charity of others to survive) then you're not a really an independent being. Society doesn't need more problem people sucking up resources. If parents want to raise a child, then fine. But they shouldn't be forced to, and I shouldn't be forced (through taxation) to pay for other people's mistakes (kids). I mean that seriously and honestly.

By the same logic, if you raised a kids that was showing signs of becoming an antisocial arsehole, why not just kill him and save yourself (and society) the hassle.

[Drewish]

No but really. I get to be "an antisocial arsehole" because I can take care of myself. I don't need you to take care of me, or need your approval in order to live my life. If I were retarded, always incapable of caring for myself, and dependent on others to do everything for me, that's different. But hey I guess in your world the lazy and incompetent are awesome so long as they lick your boot and thank you so much for all the wonderful crumbs you and society give them, but independent people who don't conform to your social rules should all be killed off for the good of society. How very Christian of you.