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Killing Babies?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:53 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... s-say.html

Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”. The academics also argue that parents should be able to have their baby killed if it turns out to be disabled when it is born.

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

The article, entitled “After-birth abortion: Why should the baby live?”, was written by two of Prof Savulescu’s former associates, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva.

They argued: “The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.”

Rather than being “actual persons”, newborns were “potential persons”. They explained: “Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’.

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When you are asleep you are only a potential person so I've the right to kill you while you are asleep - same logic? :crumple:
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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:22 am

Ah, well. I disagree.

I think the fetus is a baby, long before it's born. My support of abortion comes from my sense of a woman's right to bodily autonomy. Once the baby is no longer living in and off the woman, it's a human being with all attendant rights.

I'm against killing babies. Killing babies is wrong!
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:26 am

hadespussercats wrote:Ah, well. I disagree.

I think the fetus is a baby, long before it's born. My support of abortion comes from my sense of a woman's right to bodily autonomy. Once the baby is no longer living in and off the woman, it's a human being with all attendant rights.

I'm against killing babies. Killing babies is wrong!
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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:44 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:Ah, well. I disagree.

I think the fetus is a baby, long before it's born. My support of abortion comes from my sense of a woman's right to bodily autonomy. Once the baby is no longer living in and off the woman, it's a human being with all attendant rights.

I'm against killing babies. Killing babies is wrong!
Except for culinary purposes, obviously. :food:
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Post by MrJonno » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:08 am

Why do you have to kill them to eat them?
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Post by klr » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:07 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:Ah, well. I disagree.

I think the fetus is a baby, long before it's born. My support of abortion comes from my sense of a woman's right to bodily autonomy. Once the baby is no longer living in and off the woman, it's a human being with all attendant rights.

I'm against killing babies. Killing babies is wrong!
Except for culinary purposes, obviously. :food:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:51 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:Ah, well. I disagree.

I think the fetus is a baby, long before it's born. My support of abortion comes from my sense of a woman's right to bodily autonomy. Once the baby is no longer living in and off the woman, it's a human being with all attendant rights.

I'm against killing babies. Killing babies is wrong!
Except for culinary purposes, obviously. :food:
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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:28 pm

Well, if the baby cries too much, you just give it a good shake. Done.

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Post by Audley Strange » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:00 pm

What if say a baby is born with congenital deformities in the brain that cause it to be in almost constant pain for the rest of its short life? No room for mercy?
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Post by Pappa » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:00 pm

I wish I could find the quote, but I remember reading that various cultures at various periods in history have regarded infanticide as a valid form of family planning. Thankfully we have contraception and abortion instead.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:16 pm

Pappa wrote:I wish I could find the quote, but I remember reading that various cultures at various periods in history have regarded infanticide as a valid form of family planning. Thankfully we have contraception and abortion instead.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:46 pm

by the waters of babylon.... :smoke:
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Post by Tero » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:59 pm

English or Irish folk song: The Well Below the Valley-o. Planxty. She dumped the babies in there.

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Post by Drewish » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:04 pm

I'm totally for the "Spartan Approach." A child is born with downs. Dang. So are we going to force the parents to take care of this kid for the rest of their lives? Should they just give it up and then the tax payers and the state get to care for this retard? Hell no! Quick death, problem solved. Good to know the Nazis got some shit right.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:18 pm

300 was a weird film, somehow the Spartan intolerant child murderers were the good guys but the Persians who were quite happy to give anyone a chance in their society including the seriously handicapped were the bad guys.

Basically while very flashy that whole film was a Fascist propaganda piece
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