Parental Consent for Tanning

[MrJonno]

Depends on the 15 year old. And her parents. And nobody's talking about not allowing pregnant 15 year old girls to have abortions at all, we're just talking about whether the parents have a right to be notified and give permission for it to happen first. Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term, but there are plenty of options that young mothers have other than abortion, including adoption and being a good parent, that need to be discussed and considered with the parents involvement.

Clearly the child is incompetent to make such choices, since she has already demonstrated a lack of good judgment regarding sexual activity.

For most pregnant 15 year olds there is only one option the tax payer looks after this kid for the rest of their lives (something I suspect Seth would not be happy with). Very few 15 year olds are going to go through a pregnancy and voluntary give up a child

As for parental rights guess what when it comes to children that have zip, none zero over children they have responsibilities which is a very different matter

[Seth]

Depends on the 15 year old. And her parents. And nobody's talking about not allowing pregnant 15 year old girls to have abortions at all, we're just talking about whether the parents have a right to be notified and give permission for it to happen first. Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term, but there are plenty of options that young mothers have other than abortion, including adoption and being a good parent, that need to be discussed and considered with the parents involvement.

Clearly the child is incompetent to make such choices, since she has already demonstrated a lack of good judgment regarding sexual activity.

For most pregnant 15 year olds there is only one option the tax payer looks after this kid for the rest of their lives (something I suspect Seth would not be happy with). Very few 15 year olds are going to go through a pregnancy and voluntary give up a child

I assume you have some credible, critically robust evidence of this rather smelly and presumably ex-recto claim? No? Didn't think so.

As for parental rights guess what when it comes to children that have zip, none zero over children they have responsibilities which is a very different matter

Strangely, the actual law seems to disagree with you rather completely.

[MrJonno]

Parental 'rights' or lack of them

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Par ... DG_4002954

Some interesting bits in this are

' agreeing to child's medical treatment' which does not neccessary mean choosing it
determining the religion of the child (bit of nasty one that but as religion in British law generally means any philosophy or set of believes atheism/libertarianism or marxism would count)


Pretty amazing fact on adoption of any babies in the UK regardless of the age of the mother the grand total last year was .................... 60 !!! for a country of 60 million only 60 babies were adopted. I believe before abortion was legal 1000's were illegally adopted now most teenage mums abort or keep it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... cs-england

[PsychoSerenity]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

[MrJonno]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

I suppose if you were brought up in a cult and considered property as a child , called your dad 'Sir' someone might grow up to think that way

[Coito ergo sum]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

In the US, to use an example I'm familiar with, parental rights are generally defined by statute - i.e. by law enacted by the State legislature. Generally speaking, statutes define parental rights as including both the right and responsibility of a parent to determine and control matters affecting a child's welfare and upbringing, other than routine daily care and control of the child. Examples include decisions regarding education, non-emergency medical and dental care, religion and travel. Basically it is the right to make major life decisions for the child.

The overarching definition generally would include within it the general idea of non-emergency abortion procedures, as it would fall among medical procedures in general.

Legislatures have, of course, enacted exceptions, and set different ages at which a teenager becomes more autonomous. But, the general parental rights statute may be what Seth was getting at. Or, he could be suggesting that there is a God-given right to do what one wants with one's children. Not sure.

[Pappa]

Ah, the wisdom of the greeting card. Plumbing the platitudinous depths of the human soul....

[Seth]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

Because she is a minor and they are her parents.

[Seth]

Parental 'rights' or lack of them

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Par ... DG_4002954

Some interesting bits in this are

' agreeing to child's medical treatment' which does not neccessary mean choosing it
determining the religion of the child (bit of nasty one that but as religion in British law generally means any philosophy or set of believes atheism/libertarianism or marxism would count)


Pretty amazing fact on adoption of any babies in the UK regardless of the age of the mother the grand total last year was .................... 60 !!! for a country of 60 million only 60 babies were adopted. I believe before abortion was legal 1000's were illegally adopted now most teenage mums abort or keep it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... cs-england

Evidently the low numbers of adoptions are, as usual, the product of UK socialist government bureaucracy and neither due to a lack of babies up for adoption or a lack of demand for adoptions:

Children's minister Tim Loughton said: "Today's statistics are a timely reminder that we must redouble our efforts to do better for children in care. It's worrying that the number of adoptions has continued to decline, and it's simply not good enough for vulnerable children to be waiting well over two years to be adopted."

Ministers have issued new guidance to streamline the process and to stop councils dragging their heels on mixed-race adoption, he added. The government's adoption adviser Martin Narey is also working to reduce delays in the system and to help local authorities improve their practices.

On average, it takes two years and seven months before children are adopted, with the process taking more than three years in a quarter of cases. Most adopted children are aged between one and four when they join their new family, with the average age at adoption standing at three years and 10 months. Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/2 ... -last-year

[Seth]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

I suppose if you were brought up in a cult and considered property as a child , called your dad 'Sir' someone might grow up to think that way

So, you're evidently fine with letting your three year old play with matches.

Your attitude towards children explains a lot about your attitude towards government.

[PsychoSerenity]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

Because she is a minor and they are her parents.

"Why?"

"Because".

Well that explains everything.

[Pappa]

Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term...

Why do you think a parent has a 'right' to prevent their 15 year old daughter from having an abortion?

Because she is a minor and they are her parents.

Most countries have a sliding scale for age of majority, with different ages used depending on the context rather than one specific age that a person is incapable of making rational decisions before. The US is no different.

[mistermack]

If you give parents the power to prevent their daughters from having an abortion, on the grounds that they are minors and the parents are adults, then the same thing would apply in reverse.

The same logic says that a parent has the right to make a child HAVE an abortion, even though she doesn't want it.

Which is stupid. The "logic" of the argument is stupid.

[MrJonno]

If you give parents the power to prevent their daughters from having an abortion, on the grounds that they are minors and the parents are adults, then the same thing would apply in reverse.

The same logic says that a parent has the right to make a child HAVE an abortion, even though she doesn't want it.

Which is stupid. The "logic" of the argument is stupid.

Which is why its bollocks, parents don't own children

[eXcommunicate]

If you give parents the power to prevent their daughters from having an abortion, on the grounds that they are minors and the parents are adults, then the same thing would apply in reverse.

The same logic says that a parent has the right to make a child HAVE an abortion, even though she doesn't want it.

Which is stupid. The "logic" of the argument is stupid.

Which is why its bollocks, parents don't own children

I'm starting to err on the side of notification, but no parental consent required.