Parental Consent for Tanning

[Coito ergo sum]

I find that analysis a bit difficult to follow. It seems as if you're saying that if we lived in a world where parents wouldn't say no to these things, then it would be fine to have parental involvement. However, until the parents are a rubber stamp formality, we can't have them involved?

I think the idea is parents should help their kids with whatever they choose (but at least know that their kids are making a choice) rather than them actually making the decision for their kids

My position on parenting is that it's not just a noun. It's also a verb.

[MrJonno]

And given the number of girls and women who have suffered from PTSD, depression, and other mental illnesses including suicide after having an abortion, it's also naive and ignorant to simply assume that an abortion is a "harmless" solution to the problem of teen pregnancy. It's not. There are other solutions, including adoption or simply becoming a mother, and that is what parents are there to help the pregnant teenager decid

Compared to having a baby at that age the risks are quite simply trivial. The problem in society isnt that there are too many abortions but there are too few. Anyone under 18 and wants an abortion should not only have all their medical costs paid for but should actually get say $500 as a bonus for not producing a baby that is unlikely to ever work and will probably end up spending much of its time in jail. Best use of tax payers money ever

[PsychoSerenity]

Anyone under 18 and wants an abortion should not only have all their medical costs paid for but should actually get say $500 as a bonus for not producing a baby that is unlikely to ever work and will probably end up spending much of its time in jail. Best use of tax payers money ever

I think there may be a problem with that strategy...

[MrJonno]

Anyone under 18 and wants an abortion should not only have all their medical costs paid for but should actually get say $500 as a bonus for not producing a baby that is unlikely to ever work and will probably end up spending much of its time in jail. Best use of tax payers money ever

I think there may be a problem with that strategy...

What like someone might have 10 babies and take $5000 , bargain how much do you think one badly brought up brat will cost society , $100k, $1million, $10 million?

[hadespussercats]

I find that analysis a bit difficult to follow. It seems as if you're saying that if we lived in a world where parents wouldn't say no to these things, then it would be fine to have parental involvement. However, until the parents are a rubber stamp formality, we can't have them involved?

I think the idea is parents should help their kids with whatever they choose (but at least know that their kids are making a choice) rather than them actually making the decision for their kids

My position on parenting is that it's not just a noun. It's also a verb.

You should send that sentiment in to Hallmark.

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah, the wisdom of the greeting card. Plumbing the platitudinous depths of the human soul....

[hadespussercats]

Ah, the wisdom of the greeting card. Plumbing the platitudinous depths of the human soul....

At first I read that as "platypussian depths."

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah, the wisdom of the greeting card. Plumbing the platitudinous depths of the human soul....

At first I read that as "platypussian depths."

...I'm happy to plumb that too, if you like.

[Seth]

And given the number of girls and women who have suffered from PTSD, depression, and other mental illnesses including suicide after having an abortion, it's also naive and ignorant to simply assume that an abortion is a "harmless" solution to the problem of teen pregnancy. It's not. There are other solutions, including adoption or simply becoming a mother, and that is what parents are there to help the pregnant teenager decid

Compared to having a baby at that age the risks are quite simply trivial. The problem in society isnt that there are too many abortions but there are too few. Anyone under 18 and wants an abortion should not only have all their medical costs paid for but should actually get say $500 as a bonus for not producing a baby that is unlikely to ever work and will probably end up spending much of its time in jail. Best use of tax payers money ever

Says the guy who's never had an abortion, much less a baby, and therefore has neither the plumbing nor the moral right to make such a suggestion...or so the feminists say. And not every 18 year old is a crackhead criminal headed for jail.

I wonder how you'd feel about it if your mother had aborted you? Oh, wait, you wouldn't be feeling anything at all, would you?

[hadespussercats]

Ah, the wisdom of the greeting card. Plumbing the platitudinous depths of the human soul....

At first I read that as "platypussian depths."

...I'm happy to plumb that too, if you like.

[Warren Dew]

This is highly judgmental of parents when the fact is that it's far more common that it's the kids who are refusing to communicate and are doing wrong, and know it, and despite having loving parents who care and are willing to discuss the matter and come to the best resolution for that child it's the teenager who is being rebellious and defiant for no better reason that that's what teenagers do from time to time, even good ones.

Parents are supposed to be adults. Kids ... are not.

Those who don't want to take on parental responsibilities, including eventually dealing with a teenager, should choost not to have a child in the first place. The children don't get a choice in the matter.

[MrJonno]

Says the guy who's never had an abortion, much less a baby, and therefore has neither the plumbing nor the moral right to make such a suggestion...or so the feminists say. And not every 18 year old is a crackhead criminal headed for jail.

I wonder how you'd feel about it if your mother had aborted you? Oh, wait, you wouldn't be feeling anything at all, would you?

It's a numbers game, children of teenage mums generally do terribly become teenage moms themselves poor educational achievement, unemployment jail, massive drain on the taxpayer .Sure there are exceptions but so what.

Moral right for whom, best form of crime prevention around less badly brought up kids. No one is suggesting forcing anyone to have an abortion.

A 15 year old having an abortion is unfortunate a 15 year having a baby is a disaster

[mistermack]

I'm against teenage abortions.
If it was to easy to get one, the supply of crackhead prostitutes would dry up completely.
And where would you go for stolen stuff at 5% of the new price?

It would destroy my standard of living.

[Seth]

This is highly judgmental of parents when the fact is that it's far more common that it's the kids who are refusing to communicate and are doing wrong, and know it, and despite having loving parents who care and are willing to discuss the matter and come to the best resolution for that child it's the teenager who is being rebellious and defiant for no better reason that that's what teenagers do from time to time, even good ones.

Parents are supposed to be adults. Kids ... are not.

Of course, but the fact that a teenager is being defiant and rebellious does not axiomatically mean that the parents were bad parents. Insanity is a feature of adolescence, at least according to some "experts," and it's hardly beyond reason to say that teenagers are unqualified to make well-reasoned long-term decisions about their futures by virtue of the fact that their brains are still developing. Studies show that teenagers are particularly bad at considering consequences and are closely focused on immediate gratification, and sex is a huge risk for them for that reason. This creates a natural conflict between the good parent who says "don't have sex until you're married or you'll regret it" and the teenager who is interested only in the immediate gratification of a sexual relationship and simply isn't thinking about, and doesn't want to think about the long-term consequences of having sex.

Those who don't want to take on parental responsibilities, including eventually dealing with a teenager, should choost not to have a child in the first place. The children don't get a choice in the matter.

It's not about wanting or not wanting to take on parental responsibilities, it's about the right and necessity for the law to support parental authority and their right to make long-term decisions about the welfare of their children. You use the extreme example of the "abusive drug addict" father as justification for a law which bypasses the parents in all cases. This is ignoring the realities that most girls don't have abusive fathers and a law that gives a minor the right to have an abortion without parental notification or permission is far more likely to result in girls who are simply afraid to talk to their parents because they know they have done wrong and don't want to face the reasonable consequences of being disobedient and making bad decisions that a parent might impose having a major surgical procedure that can affect both their future reproductive health and their mental health for the rest of their lives without getting either counseling or permission from their parents.

This places far too much of the decision making process on the shoulders of a teenager who is absolutely unqualified to be making such decisions and who has already demonstrated poor judgment skills in getting pregnant in the first place.

That's the practical effect of such laws. The notion that you propose is the exception to the rule. Yes, perhaps there should be an avenue available for girls who have abusive drug-addict fathers who beat them. Oh, wait...it's already illegal for an abusive drug-addict father to beat his daughter and she has an avenue of redress: it's called "the police and Social Services," to whom she can resort if and when she's being abused to put a stop to the abuse.

But to imply that every girl-child who makes bad decisions about instant gratification without considering the long-term effects, like STD, pregnancy, psychological damage or merely emotional harm ought to have the right to simply bypass and ignore her parents simply because she's embarrassed and afraid of the disappointment, disapproval or anger of her parents is literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Minor children simply do not have the right to cut their parents out of such important life-changing decisions because they are not mentally or emotionally competent to make such decisions due to their age and immaturity. That's precisely why the parents must be involved.

[Seth]

Says the guy who's never had an abortion, much less a baby, and therefore has neither the plumbing nor the moral right to make such a suggestion...or so the feminists say. And not every 18 year old is a crackhead criminal headed for jail.

I wonder how you'd feel about it if your mother had aborted you? Oh, wait, you wouldn't be feeling anything at all, would you?

It's a numbers game, children of teenage mums generally do terribly become teenage moms themselves poor educational achievement, unemployment jail, massive drain on the taxpayer .Sure there are exceptions but so what.

You've been watching too many BBC teen-pregnancy dramas.

Moral right for whom, best form of crime prevention around less badly brought up kids. No one is suggesting forcing anyone to have an abortion.

A 15 year old having an abortion is unfortunate a 15 year having a baby is a disaster

Depends on the 15 year old. And her parents. And nobody's talking about not allowing pregnant 15 year old girls to have abortions at all, we're just talking about whether the parents have a right to be notified and give permission for it to happen first. Now, it may be that some parents won't give permission, which is their right, which will mean the 15 year old will have to carry the baby to term, but there are plenty of options that young mothers have other than abortion, including adoption and being a good parent, that need to be discussed and considered with the parents involvement.

Clearly the child is incompetent to make such choices, since she has already demonstrated a lack of good judgment regarding sexual activity.