Greedy Lying Cheating Thieving Upper Classes?

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Greedy Lying Cheating Thieving Upper Classes?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:40 am

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2012/02/27/greed/

Upper class more likely to be scofflaws due to greed, study finds

BERKELEY — The upper class has a higher propensity for unethical behavior, being more likely to believe – as did Gordon Gekko in the movie “Wall Street” – that “greed is good,” according to a new study from the University of California, Berkeley.

In seven separate studies conducted on the UC Berkeley campus, in the San Francisco Bay Area and nationwide, UC Berkeley researchers consistently found that upper-class participants were more likely to lie and cheat when gambling or negotiating; cut people off when driving, and endorse unethical behavior in the workplace.

“The increased unethical tendencies of upper-class individuals are driven, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed,” said Paul Piff, a doctoral student in psychology at UC Berkeley and lead author of the paper published today (Monday, Feb. 27) in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Piff’s study is the latest in a series of UC Berkeley scholarly investigations into the relationship between socio-economic class and prosocial and antisocial emotions and behaviors, revealing new information about class differences during a time of rising economic tension.

“As these issues come to the fore, our research – and that by others – helps shed light on the role of inequality in shaping patterns of ethical conduct and selfish behavior, and points to certain ways in which these patterns might also be changed,” Piff said.

To investigate how class relates to ethical conduct, the researchers surveyed the ethical tendencies of more than 1,000 individuals of lower-, middle- and upper-class backgrounds. Volunteers reported their social class using the MacArthur Scale of Subjective Socioeconomic Status and filled out surveys revealing their attitudes about unprincipled behaviors and greed. They also took part in tasks designed to measure their actual unethical behavior.

In two field studies on driving behavior, upper-class motorists were found to be four times more likely than the other drivers to cut off other vehicles at a busy four-way intersection and three times more likely to cut off a pedestrian waiting to enter a crosswalk. Another study found that upper-class participants presented with scenarios of unscrupulous behavior were more likely than the individuals in the other socio-economic classes to report replicating this type of behavior themselves.

Participants in the fourth study were assigned tasks in a laboratory where a jar of candy, reserved for visiting children, was on hand, and were invited to take a candy or two. Upper-class participants helped themselves to twice as much candy as did their counterparts in other classes.

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Post by laklak » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:47 am

Just need to make more money and be one.
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Post by Robert_S » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:48 am

They have a right to assholes. They're job creators and we should joyfully lick their boots for allowing the rest of us to avoid starvation.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Seth » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:06 am

As if anyone should believe anything derogatory of the "upper class" coming out of Berkley. Talk about your predetermined conclusions driving your data...
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:34 am

Robert_S wrote:They have a right to assholes. They're job creators and we should joyfully lick their boots for allowing the rest of us to avoid starvation.
Oh, yeah? then maybe we should let them do their own work, we'll till our garden, let them till their own.
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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:50 am

Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
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Post by Robert_S » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:59 am

JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
It's more loosely defined here than other places I gather.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
Merkins pretend they live in a classless society but the latest research shows lower social mobility than Europe.
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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:12 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
Merkins pretend they live in a classless society but the latest research shows lower social mobility than Europe.
Or does that really only refer to mobility in economic position?
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:14 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
Merkins pretend they live in a classless society but the latest research shows lower social mobility than Europe.
Or does that really only refer to mobility in economic position?
Is there much difference?
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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:21 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
Merkins pretend they live in a classless society but the latest research shows lower social mobility than Europe.
Or does that really only refer to mobility in economic position?
Is there much difference?
Earlier concepts of class from Europe had an overlay of accent, tradition and tribalism. The claim in America is to have ditched all those trappings, that wealth from personal effort is all that counts. In addition, the idea was that many people would be upwardly mobile in economic terms - this last is less and less likely to occur in the America of the 21st century, I gather, leaving aside drug criminals who avoid being murdered on their way up...
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:28 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:Does the use of the word "class" make sense in the US context?
Merkins pretend they live in a classless society but the latest research shows lower social mobility than Europe.
Or does that really only refer to mobility in economic position?
Is there much difference?
Earlier concepts of class from Europe had an overlay of accent, tradition and tribalism. The claim in America is to have ditched all those trappings, that wealth from personal effort is all that counts. In addition, the idea was that many people would be upwardly mobile in economic terms - this last is less and less likely to occur in the America of the 21st century, I gather, leaving aside drug criminals who avoid being murdered on their way up...
I think the US is just as stratified as the UK. Well, maybe not quite as much. Stratified by wealth, education, family and job. It's no diffent to here, really. In the UK, if you have enough cash, you can get the kids into Eton and then Cambridge and they'll be hobnobbing with all the future judges, politicians and investment bankers, building the cosy little networks that allow them to run Blighty for their exclusive benefit.

The USA is the same.
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 am

Seth wrote:As if anyone should believe anything derogatory of the "upper class" coming out of Berkley. Talk about your predetermined conclusions driving your data...
Well you would say that.
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Post by Pensioner » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:14 am

I would highly recommend E. P. Thompson’s book The Making of the English Working Class.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making ... king_Class

“Thompson attempts to add a humanist element to social history, being critical of those who turn the people of the working class into an inhuman statistical bloc. These people were not just the victims of history: Thompson displays them as being in control of their own making. ("The working class made itself as much as it was made.") He also discusses the popular movements that are oft forgotten in history, such as obscure Jacobin societies like the London Corresponding Society. Thompson makes great effort to recreate the life-experience of the working class which is what often marks it out as such an extremely influential work.”

“He claims in the Preface that "in the years between 1780 and 1832 most English working people came to feel an identity of interests as between themselves, and as against other men whose interests are different from (and usually opposed to) theirs."
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Post by MrJonno » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:05 pm

Without religion pretty much the only thing that influences how a person votes is how much they earn and how they earn it. So you could say that getting religious poor people to vote for conservative politicans reduces 'class' but thats hardly a good thing
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