What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

I'm not really into this political stuff or don't feel informed enough to come down either way.
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5%
I'm some kind of weird hybrid that hates government regulation, but wants wealth redistribution, or something like that. Stop trying to label me!
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10%
I'm a utilitarian socialist. I believe that central planning and a welfare state make society as a whole safer, wealthier, and more productive.
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5%
I'm a utilitarian capitalist. I believe that free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility lead to a safer, wealthier, and more productive society.
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20%
I'm a justice oriented socialist. I believe that people should only be held responsible for their own actions, not that of their parents, so a welfare state that helps give all children an equal opportunity at success is the only just way for society to function.
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20%
I'm a justice oriented capitalist. I believe that parents who are responsible should be able to give their child more opportunities than those who have more kids than they can afford. Inequality is not injustice, it will and should exist in any just society.
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15%
I'm a principled socialist. It's not about what's more efficient or trying to determine who deserves what. A society that sees caring for those in need as its moral obligation is a more moral society period.
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25%
I'm a principled capitalist. Individual property rights should not be compromised for anything. The needs of the many never justify using force against the few, even if that few is just one individual.
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:39 pm

I had a rude awakening 20 years ago when union workers threw star nails under my car because I dared to accidentally walk past them and into an establishment. I was honestly oblivious to their strike. Rather than say "hey! Did you know we were on strike?" They threw star nails under my car and yelled profanities at me.

I told them to fuck off, and just for that I would make it a point to frequent that establishment regularly.

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by MrJonno » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:18 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:I had a rude awakening 20 years ago when union workers threw star nails under my car because I dared to accidentally walk past them and into an establishment. I was honestly oblivious to their strike. Rather than say "hey! Did you know we were on strike?" They threw star nails under my car and yelled profanities at me.

I told them to fuck off, and just for that I would make it a point to frequent that establishment regularly.
Shit pickets if no one can tell their is a strike on (or an unobservant driver)
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:56 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:I had a rude awakening 20 years ago when union workers threw star nails under my car because I dared to accidentally walk past them and into an establishment. I was honestly oblivious to their strike. Rather than say "hey! Did you know we were on strike?" They threw star nails under my car and yelled profanities at me.

I told them to fuck off, and just for that I would make it a point to frequent that establishment regularly.
Shit pickets if no one can tell their is a strike on (or an unobservant driver)
There weren't that many of them, but it was mostly my non-observance. I parked, and they were lined up near, but not blocking, the entry way. I was in a hurry and just running in to get a couple of things. I didn't even notice them.

I always found it weird that a union expects everyone who isn't in the union to have solidarity with them, and then when they get what they want, they go back to work. Then if we don't immediately hop-to and support their strike, they berate and abuse us.

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by MrJonno » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:02 pm

I always found it weird that a union expects everyone who isn't in the union to have solidarity with them, and then when they get what they want, they go back to work. Then if we don't immediately hop-to and support their strike, they berate and abuse us.
Well the union members can express their opinion in a non threatening way bout anyone if they want, abuse is somewhat subjective but use violence and time to start locking people up
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Tero » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:33 pm

It's the same for all, CEO down to peon:
Only my job counts.

Back to the poll, I hold some of the justice ideas, but a welfare state already educates the most gifted, so there is road up the success ladder.

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Warren Dew » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:00 am

andrewclunn wrote:I'm not really looking for a response to what I believe. I want to know what you believe and why you think you believe it.
You need to set up broader or more coherent categories, then - or at least include bacon as a choice.

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Tyrannical » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:54 pm

Our Founding Fathers: I believe that a strong moral faith in Christianity, racial homogeneity, free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility leads to a safer, wealthier, and more morally just society.
A rational skeptic should be able to discuss and debate anything, no matter how much they may personally disagree with that point of view. Discussing a subject is not agreeing with it, but understanding it.

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Warren Dew » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:49 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Our Founding Fathers: I believe that a strong moral faith in Christianity, racial homogeneity, free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility leads to a safer, wealthier, and more morally just society.
So does that make you in favor of maximizing interracial marriages so we can homogenize the races and achieve "racial homogeneity" as quickly as possible?

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:11 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Our Founding Fathers: I believe that a strong moral faith in Christianity, racial homogeneity, free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility leads to a safer, wealthier, and more morally just society.
So does that make you in favor of maximizing interracial marriages so we can homogenize the races and achieve "racial homogeneity" as quickly as possible?
Hells yeah!

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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by MrJonno » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:53 pm

Sure there is a science fiction book somewhere which made it a crime to have sex with someone of the same race
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Tyrannical » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:38 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Our Founding Fathers: I believe that a strong moral faith in Christianity, racial homogeneity, free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility leads to a safer, wealthier, and more morally just society.
So does that make you in favor of maximizing interracial marriages so we can homogenize the races and achieve "racial homogeneity" as quickly as possible?
No, I am against race mixing.
But you already knew that I'm sure. Perhaps you were just trying to get my goat, or should I say my Liger :{D

Any biologist will tell you about the dangers to a specie's gene pool by allowing cross breeding outside of it. Zoos will even keep these different animals separate to prevent them from interbreeding. Also, Interbreeding can cause (sub)species extinctions, and I suppose I could name several non-human animal species in danger of that.

Now I know you are in a mixed race relationship, and I don't want to criticize you or your family since I'm not quite so mean as I'm made out to be. But I'm sure there are Asians in your (in-law) family tree that also disproves on racial grounds.
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Lozzer » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:25 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
Warren Dew wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Our Founding Fathers: I believe that a strong moral faith in Christianity, racial homogeneity, free trade and a reliance on personal responsibility leads to a safer, wealthier, and more morally just society.
So does that make you in favor of maximizing interracial marriages so we can homogenize the races and achieve "racial homogeneity" as quickly as possible?
No, I am against race mixing.
But you already knew that I'm sure. Perhaps you were just trying to get my goat, or should I say my Liger :{D

Any biologist will tell you about the dangers to a specie's gene pool by allowing cross breeding outside of it. Zoos will even keep these different animals separate to prevent them from interbreeding. Also, Interbreeding can cause (sub)species extinctions, and I suppose I could name several non-human animal species in danger of that.

Now I know you are in a mixed race relationship, and I don't want to criticize you or your family since I'm not quite so mean as I'm made out to be. But I'm sure there are Asians in your (in-law) family tree that also disproves on racial grounds.
There is no such thing as 'race' within the Homo Sapien Sapien species. We are all the same race, with variations according to geographical location and climate. We share greater variation between us than what we do in differences. If Asians, blacks, and Caucasians etc were different 'races', then reproduction would be impossible. Unlike tigers and lions, our 'mixed' offspring are fertile, and that's because we're far more identical, and again, the same race.
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Post by Mallardz » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:28 pm

I think Lozzer you can be categorized as a different race, no?
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Lozzer » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:32 pm

Mallardz wrote:I think Lozzer you can be categorized as a different race, no?
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Re: What type of Capitalist / Socialist are you?

Post by Drewish » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:47 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Mallardz wrote:I think Lozzer you can be categorized as a different race, no?
Yes, I am Übermensch
aka a power bottom.
Nobody expects me...

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