mistermack wrote:I absolutely agree with Seth about this incident. It was cowardice in the extreme, and to hide behind health and safety is disgusting.
But you get the fire service you deserve. Firemen get killed, and they prosecute the officers in charge. They don't get defended from above, they get thrown to the wolves as a scapegoat. It's happening now, over a case where some firemen died in a factory fire.
So you end up with people covering their own asses, as in this case. If you were in charge, what would you do, knowing you could lose your job or even face prosecution?
It's the pathetic people who come in after an incident, with their 20/20 hindsight, criticising those who had to make a spot decision. They are the problem. So now, everyone covers their own back, and won't take a chance. And the public and the press are also to blame, for listening to these assholes, and not putting themselve in the place of the people who have to make a snap decision.
Yup. This is what happens under Socialism. Nobody steps up because there's no point in doing so. There's no reward, only sanction and opprobrium for being the nail standing above the rest, which is to be hammered down into proletarian conformity lest others get the idea that individualism will be permitted.
So weird as it seems, it's assholes like Seth,
Oh dear, and you were doing SO well...
and the rest of us, who would also be just as critical if a fireman had drowned, that are the real problem. We create the situation where people are covering their own backs. We are to blame.
Speak for yourself, (personally insulting expletive deleted). I've spent most of my life in the emergency services both professionally and as a volunteer, and I understand the distinction between taking an unreasonable personal risk to save someone and cowardice.
Jumping into the freezing Potomac without proper rescue equipment or even a floatation device is a very, very dangerous thing to do, but I would never fault someone who felt compelled to take that risk to help another person, even if they got killed doing so. But refusing to wade out into a three-foot deep pond? Give me a break, that was cowardice and simple dereliction of duty through disinterest.
And it's a bit rich, coming from Seth, extending this to a National characteristic of the Brits.
Yeah, well, they've got it coming. This is hardly the only example of proletarian servility of the British people in evidence.
Coming from a country that took TWO YEARS OF LEAVING WW2 to the Brits, before they got the courage to fight. And actually, they had no choice then, as Hitler declared war on THEM.
Someone from the worlds most cowardly nation, calling other nations cowards is the height of hypocrisy.
Since when are we obliged to pull your asses out of the crack you made for yourselves by appeasing yourselves into danger with Hitler? You made your bed, you got to lie in it. And, we sent billions in lend/lease aid to the UK long before Japan attacked us, including privately-owned firearms for the Home Guard, just because we had sympathy for your plight.
And when we finally did go to war against Hitler, we kicked his ass, along with Tojo's, saving your sorry asses in the bargain, with the Brits back in the baggage-train somewhere.
All this a couple of hundred years after a rag-tag, starving army with rotting clothes and no shoes defeated the cream of the British Army during the Revolutionary War.
And how many UK troops are deployed in Afghanistan right now? And how many were deployed in Iraq, and for how long?
Naught but a drop in the bucket compared to America's "cowardly" investment in destroying global terrorism.
So, fuck the Brits, they are servile cowards undeserving of being protected by America's might and courage any longer. Next time someone, like the French, want to annex the UK, I say we let them.
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