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Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:09 pm

I'm about to start Second Foundation -- doing a re-read of an old favorite of mine, The Foundation Trilogy, by Isaac Asimov. Well, it is supposedly being made into a movie, but it has been in the early stages for years now. I'm not too thrilled about Roland Emmerich being picked to make the movie. http://sciencefictionworld.com/films/sc ... riter.html
Asimov’s work is getting a lot of attention lately. We just heard about The Caves of Steel movie being developed (finally!) and now there’s more news regarding Sony’s much anticipated Foundation adaptation directed by the blockbuster king himself, Roland Emmerich. According to First Showing, Sony has hired Dante Harper to take over where the previous writer Robert Rodat left off. Rodat wrote the first draft.
Harper does not have a long list of credits to his name, but has written Black Hole for David Fincher, Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters and the upcoming All You Need is Kill.
While there are some valid concerns regarding whether Emmerich is up to the task, there’s no doubt he can command the large budget that the film will probably require. His previous efforts, Independence Day, 2012, etc. prove that big is not a problem. Unfortunately though, subtlety may be.
Originally published as a short story series in Astounding Magazine in 1942 before becoming a novel, Asimov’s Foundation is an epic tale of a human dominated galaxy living under the rule of a Galactic Empire whose power is rapidly fading. Historian Hari Seldon has the ability to predict the future using a method of scientific prediction called Psychohistory. Seldon attempts to lesson the impact of the Galactic Empire’s fall by protecting human knowledge. There’s a lot more to the books in the series than can be adequately covered in an article (even in summary form), but I encourage you to read them if you haven’t already. You won’t be disappointed.
Will the movie actually ever reach shooting stage? Is Dante Harper a good choice as writer? Can Emmerich direct with depth and subtly? We'll find out eventually I guess. At least Sony and Emmerich are giving it a shot. Along with a lot of Asimov’s works, a Foundation adaptation is well overdue.
If it makes it, I can’t wait to see it. I predict we’re looking at 2013 at the earliest. We’ll keep you informed.
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Permit us to stay on our recent sci-fi tangent just a tad bit longer….

Between 1951 and 1953, Isaac Asimov published three books that formed the now legendary Foundation Trilogy. Many considered it a masterwork in science fiction, and that view became official doctrine in 1966 when the trilogy received a special Hugo Award for Best All-Time Series, notably beating out Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings. (Don’t miss the vintage Tolkien documentary we featured yesterday.)

Eventually, the BBC decided to adapt Asimov’s trilogy to the radio, dramatizing the series in eight one-hour episodes that aired between May and June 1973. Years later, you can buy the radio drama on iTunes for $9.99. But we’re going to suggest that you pocket that hard-earned money and download the radio drama for free from the Internet Archive.

Click the links below to stream the individual episodes. Or download the full program as a zip file. The Internet Archive gives you more download options here.
I just noticed that Caves of Steel is being made too! See above. That's awesome. I hope they do a good job. They could have a decent franchise on their hands if they take all the Foundation books and Empire books and make movies out of them. I hope they do Pebble in the Sky and Currents of Space too.

They need to redo "I, Robot" because that Wil Smith monstrosity was a debacle.

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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by klr » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:15 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote: ...

They need to redo "I, Robot" because that Wil Smith monstrosity was a debacle.
I don't know if I can trust anyone nowadays to do a movie adaption of any Asimov story (let alone a trilogy) that would meet with my approval. No-one mainstream anyway. They'd just try and sex it up with CGI, load it with eye-candy casting, and ruin the storyline to make it appeal to "contemporary audiences". Kind of what happened with LOTR in other words. :what:
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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:23 pm

klr wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote: ...

They need to redo "I, Robot" because that Wil Smith monstrosity was a debacle.
I don't know if I can trust anyone nowadays to do a movie adaption of any Asimov story (let alone a trilogy) that would meet with my approval. No-one mainstream anyway. They'd just try and sex it up with CGI, load it with eye-candy casting, and ruin the storyline to make it appeal to "contemporary audiences". Kind of what happened with LOTR in other words. :what:
Peter Jackson did a good job with Lord of the Rings. Some was cut out and there were parts that they amalgamated which bothered me, but overall, as far as adaptations go, it was good.

I share your concerns re: Asimov. I mean - they fucked up the whole point of I, Robot. And why was Susan Calvin turned into a hot piece of ass? I mean - I rarely have an objection to a hot piece of ass, but Susan Calvin was written by Asimov to be homely.

There is so much room for them to fuck up Foundation, I really am keeping my expectations low. They need to not change the storyline. That is all I ask.

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Post by Animavore » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:04 pm

Ronald Emmerich? Don't get your hopes up.
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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:07 pm

Animavore wrote:Ronald Emmerich? Don't get your hopes up.
...they aren't...believe me...they aren't...

Polished off about 50 pages of Second Foundation. I've committed myself to reading all of Asimov's Foundation books again in the next few weeks. There is also a series I was vaguely aware of that were/are written by post-Asimov writers that continue the saga. I may delve into one or two of those.

I must say, after about 25 years, I am finding Asimov's writing in the original trilogy a bit juvenile. But, then again it was written by him in his early 20s, and probably was written for teenage pulp science fiction readers of the "Amazing Space Stories!" variety of John W. Campbell publication....

I like them. He is a very clear writer. I think I wish he had more description added to the dialogue. The books are almost all dialogue and his descriptions are usually confined to one or two details -- someone's build, their nose, their hair, or something like that, and he gives very little backdrop on settings.

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Post by amused » Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:37 pm

Foundation will be tough to pull off. Rendezvous With Rama is also in development by Morgan Freeman. That will be even tougher since so much of it takes place in the dark.

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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Rum » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:13 pm

Most of his books tend to be heavy on ideas and low on action. Not sure how well that will work in movies.

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:20 pm

Dune....again. How to destroy a good book forever. :smoke:
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Post by amused » Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:23 pm

Probably too dated by now, but When Worlds Collide would make a fun movie if they gave it the right attitude.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:12 pm

amused wrote:Probably too dated by now, but When Worlds Collide would make a fun movie if they gave it the right attitude.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455856/ :coffee:

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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Animavore » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:14 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
amused wrote:Probably too dated by now, but When Worlds Collide would make a fun movie if they gave it the right attitude.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455856/ :coffee:
Directed by the author of the novel too.

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Post by amused » Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:18 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
amused wrote:Probably too dated by now, but When Worlds Collide would make a fun movie if they gave it the right attitude.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455856/ :coffee:
Cool!

It says 2012 release, but the director's IMdB page says it's in pre-production.

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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by klr » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:46 pm

Rum wrote:Most of his books tend to be heavy on ideas and low on action. Not sure how well that will work in movies.
Very true. Not very movie-friendly, especially these days.
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Re: Foundation Trilogy Movie Status

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:26 pm

klr wrote:
Rum wrote:Most of his books tend to be heavy on ideas and low on action. Not sure how well that will work in movies.
Very true. Not very movie-friendly, especially these days.
I'm about 1/2 way through Second Foundation now, so I've gotten through most of the initial "trilogy." And, I have to say that there is sufficient room for action in those books.

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Initially, we have the Galactic Empire, which should provide decent room for pageantry, special effects and sci-fi grandeur. How they portray Trantor will be key. That could be done in a really awesome manner. They can introduce Hari Seldon and his rogue scientists/psychologists who are subversive to the Empire, but really trying to forestall 30,000 years of galactic war and "dark ages." Once Seldon dies and the Foundation formed, there can be sci-fi space war scenes as the first Kingdoms like Anacreon and Siwenna break away from the old Empire.

They then have the first and second Seldon crises, where there are wars and intrigue among the breakaway kingdoms and the Foundation is at risk of being usurped. Salvor Hardin and Hober Mallow then do their thing, and they can make some cool scenes with Seldon appearing from the Vault for the first and second times.

In the second movie - Foundation and Empire - there is actually quite a lot of action. In that one, there is initial intrigue between the remaining chunk of the Galactic Empire and the newly budding and strong Foundation. So, that is when the last great General of the Empire goes out and wages war against the Foundation, and there is room for more space war scenes. Then, of course, the Mule comes out of nowhere with his psychic powers to control emotions and he also wages war on the Foundation and conquers Terminus. There is definitely action there, when the Mule's scary black ships bombard and take over Terminus, and there are action scenes all throughout as Bayta Darrell and that guy and the Mule's "Clown" narrowly escape tight spot after tight spot. Then Han Pritcher is involved in that conspiracy and tries to blow up the Mule, but winds up under the Mule's power. Then they end up heading back to the ruins of Trantor, which was sacked, and they can then do sort of a flashback scene where Trantor is attacked by the forces of that rebel usurper. The there is the suspenseful scene when Bayta has to blow Ebling Mis' head off to prevent him from telling the Mule where the Second Foundation is.

Then in Second Foundation, there are more action scenes as the characters make their way to the Tazenda system and the Mule has his face off with the Second Foundation. The Mule has his forces annihilate Tazenda itself, but then he's stuck in that battle of psychic powers with the Second Foundation spy, etc.

Frankly, the three books of the main trilogy have lots of suspense, some mystery, and plenty of room to spice it up with action. I think the mystery parts are pretty thinly veiled and fairly easy to see through, but that may actually be appealing to mass audiences who don't really like stuff that is too hard to figure out.

Upon my recent read, I have to say, I am more confident than ever that it is POSSIBLE to make a really cool movie -- provided they make three movies, LOTR style, to tell the tale of the trilogy. If they try to cram the whole story into one movie, they will be guaranteed to fuck it up.


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