The psychedelia conundrum

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

The conundrum being: are you simply allowing free-reign to your creativity, or do you have something inside that really shouldn't be let out?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

The conundrum being: are you simply allowing free-reign to your creativity, or do you have something inside that really shouldn't be let out?

"Altered States".

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

The conundrum being: are you simply allowing free-reign to your creativity, or do you have something inside that really shouldn't be let out?

"Altered States".

Mississouri? Pennsylhio? North Vernecticut?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

The conundrum being: are you simply allowing free-reign to your creativity, or do you have something inside that really shouldn't be let out?

"Altered States".

Mississouri? Pennsylhio? North Vernecticut?

The movie.

[Pappa]

Is taking powerful but non-addictive psychedelics any different than ingesting alcohol socially? Nicotine?


Why are psychedelics generally thought of as more serious than alcohol and tobacco?

Because our culture has deemed the latter socially acceptable and the former dangerous. We have or should I say had no social rituals where psychedelics played a part. Other than that, the effect can be daunting. You build up slowly to drunk, some psychedelics overwhelm you in less time than it takes to drink a pint, and I do mean overwhelm. Booze and cigarettes don't really fall into the same category I think. It's like the difference between jumping of a wall or skydiving, different orders of magnitude unless your on the D.T.'s.

In places where the use of halucinogens/psychedelics has been a part of the culture for some time, there are social rituals and a backlog of experience that makes the process safe and normal. It's not unusual for children to be given such drugs without concern or ill-effect.

[apophenia]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

If the documentary on the psychedelic DMT I just watched is any indication, that something waiting to get out is a bunch of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle, baseless speculation, and just general bad thinking.

[Audley Strange]

Yes! In many cases that is exactly it. They make the mundane profound. They turn twaddle into divine revelation. This is exactly why people compare it to the religious experience.

[Svartalf]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

If the documentary on the psychedelic DMT I just watched is any indication, that something waiting to get out is a bunch of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle, baseless speculation, and just general bad thinking.

Young lady, it's always good to let out what needs to get out, whether it's excreta or ejaculation.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

If the documentary on the psychedelic DMT I just watched is any indication, that something waiting to get out is a bunch of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle, baseless speculation, and just general bad thinking.

Young lady, it's always good to let out what needs to get out, whether it's excreta or ejaculation.

Fill what’s empty, empty what’s full, and scratch where it itches.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

If the documentary on the psychedelic DMT I just watched is any indication, that something waiting to get out is a bunch of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle, baseless speculation, and just general bad thinking.

Or "Yer doin' it wrong." It's quite possible I'm wrong, of course, I was wrong once before so I do have a record of that. For me, it's more like being able to access something in me that doesn't normally appear. I have spurts of writing (which I call "visits from my muse") that I can't turn on or off. When I'm tripping I can dictate long poems that still sound good when I'm down again. Usually I can't rhyme "moon" with "June".

[apophenia]

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.
The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

Chapter 3, The Tao Te Ching (Feng/English trans.)

[FBM]

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.
The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

Chapter 3, The Tao Te Ching (Feng/English trans.)

The Tao Te Ching has a lot to offer people who are searching for peace of mind. Its wisdom is a lot more enduring than a couple of joints or tabs of LSD. I used to get stoned and read it all the time. I thought they would go better together. Later, I started reading it without chemical assistance. It made/makes more sense without. I think.

[Hermit]

I think they're right on the edge of releasing something inside us that wants to get out.

If the documentary on the psychedelic DMT I just watched is any indication, that something waiting to get out is a bunch of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle, baseless speculation, and just general bad thinking.

Much of the time, I suppose, yes, but then there are exceptions. Aldous Huxley's The Doors to Perception and Heaven and Hell come to mind. Yes, I do agree that it contains a lot of unsubstantiated metaphysical twaddle and baseless speculation, but I can't deny that LSD helped him release something inside him that wanted to get out. Same with Carlos Castaneda's experiences with Peyote.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Having been there and returned certainly frees ones imagination. Sergeant Pepper would never have been created without psychedelic assistance. However, attempting to create coherent art while actually under the influence of such things is pointless.

Just as any load of old bollocks can sound incredible and profound while tripping, anything created during a trip (which may seem incredible and profound at the time) usually turns out to be a load of old bollocks!

[Hermit]

...attempting to create coherent art while actually under the influence of such things is pointless.

Just as any load of old bollocks can sound incredible and profound while tripping, anything created during a trip (which may seem incredible and profound at the time) usually turns out to be a load of old bollocks!

You have just described the nature of some of my dreams.