Parenting with a .45

[MrJonno]

MrJonno, I'm genuinely curious. Why do you associate gun ownership with all the negative connotations that you regularly post?

I have negative connotations about most human beings whether they armed or not.

I have a good story about going home on the bus last night, so little shit was playing his tinny mobile phone music on full blast. He was pissing of everyone no one said anything as its basically risking a fight on the bus. I felt like drawing a gun and blowing him away (if I had one I probably would have the self control not to) but not convinced everyone else would. The vast majority of murders are not preplanned assasinations or even drug dealers shooting at each they are people either get pissed of with their girlfriend/wife after having too much to drink or people getting into fights over trivial things like spilt drinks or what music is on

Now what scenario is better some one heavily armed risks his life (or that the person with the bad rap music) or we all go home listening to it .

Sorry would rather have an unpleasant bus journey that one that becomes dangerous.

[Tyrannical]

A video of him ebaying the laptop would be too boring.

[Pappa]

MrJonno, I'm genuinely curious. Why do you associate gun ownership with all the negative connotations that you regularly post?

I have negative connotations about most human beings whether they armed or not.

I have a good story about going home on the bus last night, so little shit was playing his tinny mobile phone music on full blast. He was pissing of everyone no one said anything as its basically risking a fight on the bus. I felt like drawing a gun and blowing him away (if I had one I probably would have the self control not to) but not convinced everyone else would. The vast majority of murders are not preplanned assasinations or even drug dealers shooting at each they are people either get pissed of with their girlfriend/wife after having too much to drink or people getting into fights over trivial things like spilt drinks or what music is on

Now what scenario is better some one heavily armed risks his life (or that the person with the bad rap music) or we all go home listening to it .

Sorry would rather have an unpleasant bus journey that one that becomes dangerous.

There are lots of countries in which gun ownership is common, but gun related death/crime is low. How do you account for that with such a black and white picture of gun ownership?

[FBM]

MrJonno, I'm genuinely curious. Why do you associate gun ownership with all the negative connotations that you regularly post?

I have negative connotations about most human beings whether they armed or not.

I have a good story about going home on the bus last night, so little shit was playing his tinny mobile phone music on full blast. He was pissing of everyone no one said anything as its basically risking a fight on the bus. I felt like drawing a gun and blowing him away (if I had one I probably would have the self control not to) but not convinced everyone else would. The vast majority of murders are not preplanned assasinations or even drug dealers shooting at each they are people either get pissed of with their girlfriend/wife after having too much to drink or people getting into fights over trivial things like spilt drinks or what music is on

Now what scenario is better some one heavily armed risks his life (or that the person with the bad rap music) or we all go home listening to it .

Sorry would rather have an unpleasant bus journey that one that becomes dangerous.

Wow. I've hunted and owned guns since before I went through puberty, but I never even considered shooting someone over being rude...Mr. Jonno, please don't take this in the wrong way, but do you think every human has such an extreme response to such experiences? I don't think this has anything to do with firearm ownership. If you'd had a knife, you could've shanked him on the spot. Or if you'd been 6'6", 290lbs, you could've just snapped his neck. Why the focus on firearms?

[MrJonno]

There are lots of countries in which gun ownership is common, but gun related death/crime is low. How do you account for that with such a black and white picture of gun ownership?

Few countries allow the carrying of loaded firearms (Switzerland absolutely does not outside a firing range or hunting). But on the whole there is a general link between personal firearms and violence (alcohol is probably the other big factor, of course banning it doesnt stop it still being a big factor)

[MrJonno]

Wow. I've hunted and owned guns since before I went through puberty, but I never even considered shooting someone over being rude...Mr. Jonno, please don't take this in the wrong way, but do you think every human has such an extreme response to such experiences? I don't think this has anything to do with firearm ownership. If you'd had a knife, you could've shanked him on the spot. Or if you'd been 6'6", 290lbs, you could've just snapped his neck. Why the focus on firearms?

Being rude (or at least appearing to be to someone) is what starts most fights, if they involve fists the fight normally ends without anyone being too seriously hurts but worse does happen occassionaly. Carrying many types of knives (all types are banned unless you can justify why you have it on you) is banned as well but even then takes a lot more effort to use a knife when even a 2 year old can pull a trigger

[FBM]

If you're of the frame of mind to inflict violence on another person, you can always find a way. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=35349

I hope this doesn't sound like machismo, but one reason I came to Korea 15 years ago was to learn Hapkido. I don't need a weapon to kill someone who annoys me. A lot of people have annoyed me, and I have yet to get physical with a single one of them. I think the importance of the psycology of the individual far outweighs the fact that a gun is easier to use than a knife. When you're in the frame of mind to attack someone, you don't do the calculus required to distinguish between the amount of effort required to weild a knive vs a firearm, I'd guess. A chainsaw is a lot more difficult to weild than a firearm, and that didn't deter the guy in the above link.

[MrJonno]

If you're of the frame of mind to inflict violence on another person, you can always find a way. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=35349

I hope this doesn't sound like machismo, but one reason I came to Korea 15 years ago was to learn Hapkido. I don't need a weapon to kill someone who annoys me. A lot of people have annoyed me, and I have yet to get physical with a single one of them. I think the importance of the psycology of the individual far outweighs the fact that a gun is easier to use than a knife. When you're in the frame of mind to attack someone, you don't do the calculus required to distinguish between the amount of effort required to weild a knive vs a firearm, I'd guess. A chainsaw is a lot more difficult to weild than a firearm, and that didn't deter the guy in the above link.

Most people do need weapons to kill, fists take an awful lot of effort to kill, knives less so and guns none at all.

It's also not about the psyschology of the individual its about the psychology of the population. The fact that hospitals are filled predictable with people kicking the shit out of each other every weekend without fail shows that large numbers of people will try to kill each other on a regular basis but luckily most the time they will fail

[hadespussercats]

Seth, lots of people agree completely with Gallstones' sentiment. But there are rules about how sentiment gets expressed that apply to all of us here. Even she said she knew the reminder was coming.

My sense of you is that you value rules being applied equally, regardless of circumstance.

Doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure with MrJonno or the Mods. Since I can't directly tell MrJonno what I think of him, I have to express it more circumspectly, through a proxy.

Oh, I read a bit more carefully, and realized-- you think the staff is here to take whatever abuse you feel you can't dish out to a non-staff member?

Is this what you meant by proxy? Because I have things to say about that, but I want to make sure I understand what you're getting at here.

Nope, that's not what I mean at all. Keep trying.

Keep trying to understand you when you don't have any interest in helping me to do so?

What I wrote is what your words and responses add up to for me. I actually would like to know what you really meant, because I'm not seeing another interpretation.

[FBM]

If you're of the frame of mind to inflict violence on another person, you can always find a way. http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=35349

I hope this doesn't sound like machismo, but one reason I came to Korea 15 years ago was to learn Hapkido. I don't need a weapon to kill someone who annoys me. A lot of people have annoyed me, and I have yet to get physical with a single one of them. I think the importance of the psycology of the individual far outweighs the fact that a gun is easier to use than a knife. When you're in the frame of mind to attack someone, you don't do the calculus required to distinguish between the amount of effort required to weild a knive vs a firearm, I'd guess. A chainsaw is a lot more difficult to weild than a firearm, and that didn't deter the guy in the above link.

Most people do need weapons to kill, fists take an awful lot of effort to kill, knives less so and guns none at all.

It's also not about the psyschology of the individual its about the psychology of the population. The fact that hospitals are filled predictable with people kicking the shit out of each other every weekend without fail shows that large numbers of people will try to kill each other on a regular basis but luckily most the time they will fail

Sorry, but I'm not convinced of Hobbes' "nasty, brutish and short" recipe. And I don't mean to dissemble, but it doesn't really take so much effort to kill someone with one's bare hands, with training. Failing that, it nevertheless doesn't take much effort to kill someone with a knife, a length of pipe, a broken beer bottle, etc.

As for the psychology of the population, I think larger issues of overpopulation and genetics wrt inner-species violence override the trivial issue of means. We killed each other with rocks, spears and arrows for many millenia before the first firearm was ever made. If firearms were to vanish today, we'd just resort to former means of doing each other in, or develop something equivalent or even worse than firearms. The psychology of the population may be the salient issue, but firearm ownership isn't.

[FBM]

Did I insult the messenger? I think not. I think I told her to fuck off. Telling someone to fuck off is not, as I understand it, a personal attack here. At least it hasn't been. It's friendly advice to, well, fuck off. It's an expression of endearment around here, as I see it, given how often it's used.

And yes, I know you "had" to give Gallstones a reminder. Now see if you can figure out the rest.

Telling someone to "fuck off" is friendly advice?

[MrJonno]

Sorry, but I'm not convinced of Hobbes' "nasty, brutish and short" recipe. And I don't mean to dissemble, but it doesn't really take so much effort to kill someone with one's bare hands, with training. Failing that, it nevertheless doesn't take much effort to kill someone with a knife, a length of pipe, a broken beer bottle, etc.

The nearest most Brit's get these days in training in how to kill is eating 4000 calories a day and dying of a heart attack.

It's interesting question when people get into a fight down the pub are they trying to kill each other or just hurt them a bit. I would argue its definitely to kill (restraint goes out of the windows at least for a short while) but they out of energy/get dragged of before serious injury

[Seth]

Did I insult the messenger? I think not. I think I told her to fuck off. Telling someone to fuck off is not, as I understand it, a personal attack here. At least it hasn't been. It's friendly advice to, well, fuck off. It's an expression of endearment around here, as I see it, given how often it's used.

And yes, I know you "had" to give Gallstones a reminder. Now see if you can figure out the rest.

Telling someone to "fuck off" is friendly advice?

Around here it is. Now fuck off.

[Seth]

Seth, lots of people agree completely with Gallstones' sentiment. But there are rules about how sentiment gets expressed that apply to all of us here. Even she said she knew the reminder was coming.

My sense of you is that you value rules being applied equally, regardless of circumstance.

Doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure with MrJonno or the Mods. Since I can't directly tell MrJonno what I think of him, I have to express it more circumspectly, through a proxy.

Oh, I read a bit more carefully, and realized-- you think the staff is here to take whatever abuse you feel you can't dish out to a non-staff member?

Is this what you meant by proxy? Because I have things to say about that, but I want to make sure I understand what you're getting at here.

Nope, that's not what I mean at all. Keep trying.

Keep trying to understand you when you don't have any interest in helping me to do so?

What I wrote is what your words and responses add up to for me. I actually would like to know what you really meant, because I'm not seeing another interpretation.

Then your imagination and reasoning skills are faulty. Work it out. Who would be a proxy for personally attacking MrJonno here? Figure that out and you'll likely get the rest.

[hadespussercats]

Doesn't mean I can't express my displeasure with MrJonno or the Mods. Since I can't directly tell MrJonno what I think of him, I have to express it more circumspectly, through a proxy.

Oh, I read a bit more carefully, and realized-- you think the staff is here to take whatever abuse you feel you can't dish out to a non-staff member?

Is this what you meant by proxy? Because I have things to say about that, but I want to make sure I understand what you're getting at here.

Nope, that's not what I mean at all. Keep trying.

Keep trying to understand you when you don't have any interest in helping me to do so?

What I wrote is what your words and responses add up to for me. I actually would like to know what you really meant, because I'm not seeing another interpretation.

Then your imagination and reasoning skills are faulty. Work it out. Who would be a proxy for personally attacking MrJonno here? Figure that out and you'll likely get the rest.

Seth, I've got shit to do. Don't talk to Twofy like that again. She was doing her job, and if I had to guess, at that particular moment her heart wasn't in it. So give her a break, will you.