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Post by Azathoth » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:13 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Vietnam was not a military defeat.
I will agree with you there. The political point was made. At the cost of a few lives but acceptable to the powers that be.
A few? 4,000 lost in Iraq is considered a devastating loss, by some folks. 55,000 were killed in Vietnam.

different times. Try a draft now for afghanistan. The war is about as popular
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Post by Azathoth » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:15 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
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Gawdzilla wrote:Vietnam was not a military defeat.
I will agree with you there. The political point was made. At the cost of a few lives but acceptable to the powers that be.
Including fifteen of my friends up front and four more later on. Not acceptable to me.
Of course not but to the bunkered general it is peripheral
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Re: Iran Warns US to Stay Out of Persian Gulf, or Else.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:16 am

Azathoth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Vietnam was not a military defeat.
I will agree with you there. The political point was made. At the cost of a few lives but acceptable to the powers that be.
Including fifteen of my friends up front and four more later on. Not acceptable to me.
Of course not but to the bunkered general it is peripheral
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:17 am

Azathoth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Vietnam was not a military defeat.
I will agree with you there. The political point was made. At the cost of a few lives but acceptable to the powers that be.
A few? 4,000 lost in Iraq is considered a devastating loss, by some folks. 55,000 were killed in Vietnam.

different times. Try a draft now for afghanistan. The war is about as popular
Yawn.

We don't need a draft. We have an all volunteer army.

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Post by Gallstones » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:56 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Vietnam was not a military defeat.
I will agree with you there. The political point was made. At the cost of a few lives but acceptable to the powers that be.
A few? 4,000 lost in Iraq is considered a devastating loss, by some folks. 55,000 were killed in Vietnam.

different times. Try a draft now for afghanistan. The war is about as popular
Yawn.

We don't need a draft. We have an all volunteer army.
And mandatory Selective Service registration at 18yo for males.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:59 am

The registration is a good idea. If we need troops quick, we get them quick.
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Post by Seth » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:18 am

Gawdzilla wrote:The registration is a good idea. If we need troops quick, we get them quick.
The problem is that the vast majority of youth who have registered are in violation of the law because they failed to keep the government apprised of their location within 30 days of moving, so the records are only minimally useful to begin with.

Press gangs are always another option.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:20 am

Your source for this information?
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Post by Gallstones » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:20 am

Gawdzilla wrote:The registration is a good idea. If we need troops quick, we get them quick.
Males.


I'd have gone.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:23 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:The registration is a good idea. If we need troops quick, we get them quick.
Males.


I'd have gone.
I'd have been good with you in the line. :tup:
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Post by Santa_Claus » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:43 am

Coito ergo sum wrote: Military doomed to fail.

List of US military defeats in the past 40 years.

Vietnam (arguably).
China. and they haven't even needed to fire a shot :hehe: .......for the Chinese will be cheaper to lose a few trillion in IOU's than fight a hot war. and with an empty treasury (and no means refill) the military is doomed to fail - just a matter of time.
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Post by Santa_Claus » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:44 am

Coito ergo sum wrote: This is a staggeringly idiotic post. No offense.

With respect to "iran might not be able to cope in a head to head conflict with the USA," I mean - "might" not? "Might?" That is, you assess Iran's military capabilities as potentially having the ability to cope with the US in head to head conflict? Just want to get that straight...

You doubt if the Americans have the "balls" to go ashore. The US had the balls to go to Afghanistan, had the balls to go to Iraq, but we don't have the balls with respect to Iran?

The US would "yet again" be a loser in the Middle East? I mean - what the fuck, dude? We SUCCEEDED in Iraq. We SUCCEEDED in Afghanistan (which is technically central Asia, but whatever). What fucking definition of the words "win" and "lose" are you using? Overwhelming victory in two theaters of conflict is somehow "losing?"

Don't worry about offending me - it's not possible :tup:

"Might not" used in the sense that it would not be able to (go toe to toe - well, not for long :hehe: ).....but in a more limited conflict (i.e. no boots on the ground) the USA will find that the Iran is no Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq......or Grenada :hehe:

USA did not have the balls to go into Afghanistan or Iraq - just didn't have the brains not to........Iraq and Afghanistan a success? I guess we do have very different ideas of winning - for me that does not include running away with tails between legs - and with an empty treasury. Even Hitler won lots of Battles, invaded and occupied countries - and still lost.

Not really an anti-USA thing, unless the West goes back to the traditional method of fighting wars (by recognising that a conflict is not simply between two sports teams / Armies - but between whole countries / tribes, in which there are no innocents, then all wars are unwinnable. FWIW my plan for invading Iraq, Afghanistan (and France :hehe: ) involved nailing every man, woman and child to a cross - until the locals accepted they were defeated. and acted accordingly. Same would work with the Iranians - if people no longer exist, ain't gonna come back and bite yer on the bum :tup:
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Post by amused » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:02 pm

"Winning" in the middle east means propping up a rotating series of governments that can issue oil contracts, preferably with about half of them hating the other half enough to undercut each other. And then selling them weapons and bad real estate investments too so the petrodollars come back. Seems to be working...

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Post by TonyBelch » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:19 pm

amused wrote:"Winning" in the middle east means propping up a rotating series of governments that can issue oil contracts, preferably with about half of them hating the other half enough to undercut each other. And then selling them weapons and bad real estate investments too so the petrodollars come back. Seems to be working...
Quite right. The only reason these countries get any attention is because of the oil. If Libia vs Syria does not demonstrate this nothing can. The 'West' should be spending its money developing fusion power as fast as it possibly can. It does not because too any people make too much money out of oil. And as oil gets more scarce they stand to make even more money.

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:58 pm

The canadians are coming so it must be bad?

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