Woman Shoots/kills knife-wielding intruder.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I read that as "my sometimes husband".

[Gallstones2]

hey Zilla with that post count they should lock you

[Gawdzilla Sama]

hey Zilla with that post count they should lock you

What? Did I hit 200,000 already?

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Pertinent to this thread, I think.

Mr Flanagan, a father-of three, was subsequently arrested on suspicion of murder and spent three days in custody before being released on bail. Mr Flanagan's son and a 21-year-old woman were also arrested but released without charge.

More than a month later the HGV mechanic, an engineer by trade, was told by prosecutors that he would face no charges because he acted in self defence.

Demonstrates nicely the different attitude law enforcement has in this country to the States.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... asion.html

Our police are fucking idiots and only an idiot would trust them imo.
They should be sued by all three for false arrest.

I'd agree that that took far longer than it should have, but I still think it's important to investigate what happened. Otherwise how do you know it really was self defence?

He was arrested without reasonable suspicion and presumably in the light of evidence that he was innocent. They even arrested two people who weren't even in the house at the time.
Little wonder people have lost confidence in our police.

[hadespussercats]

'There's nothing more dangerous than a woman with a child': Teen mom shoots dead intruder a week after baby's father died of cancer

I'm just wondering why there is any issue at all if the intruder was already dead when she shot him?

"shoots dead" = "shoots and kills"

[Seth]

No blades over 3" allowed to be carried here. Knives with locking blades are illegal to possess (never saw the point of banning a safety feature ).

That would be to discourage folding blades, I think.

...But people are allowed to carry a 3" non-folding blade which can be deployed much more quickly than either a locker or non-locker.

Edit - And a 3" blade is even more concealable than a 6" one. Really, they just don't think what they are doing when they make laws here...they just seem to pull them out their fat asses.

And just as deadly if you know how to use it. There are a number of major blood vessels less than 3 inches below the skin that can be slashed easily that will kill a person in less than a minute.

[Seth]

Pertinent to this thread, I think.

Mr Flanagan, a father-of three, was subsequently arrested on suspicion of murder and spent three days in custody before being released on bail. Mr Flanagan's son and a 21-year-old woman were also arrested but released without charge.

More than a month later the HGV mechanic, an engineer by trade, was told by prosecutors that he would face no charges because he acted in self defence.

Demonstrates nicely the different attitude law enforcement has in this country to the States.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... asion.html

Our police are fucking idiots and only an idiot would trust them imo.
They should be sued by all three for false arrest.

I'd agree that that took far longer than it should have, but I still think it's important to investigate what happened. Otherwise how do you know it really was self defence?

It's not the time required for the DA to make a decision on whether to prosecute, it's the arrests. Around here, police spend a bit more time investigating the situation before simply throwing everybody involved in jail for three days.

Fact: Three known criminal thugs break into house.
Fact: One is dead at the hands of the homeowner.
Fact: Homeowner found in his underwear chasing the thugs from his home.

Probable cause to believe a murder was committed that justifies the immediate arrest of the occupants of the house and their incarceration for three days?

Not fucking likely.

The homeowner has ties to the community, is hardly a flight risk, and all the evidence points to a home invasion that got the invaders what they deserved.

Around here the investigation would still have been done, but it's highly unlikely the homeowner would have been arrested until AFTER the investigation, if there was still PC to believe he committed a crime.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Seth, what would be the likely outcome over there if an intruder was shot dead by a homeowner using an unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm - as in the case of Tony Martin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

[Gallstones]

Seth, what would be the likely outcome over there if an intruder was shot dead by a homeowner using an unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm - as in the case of Tony Martin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

Despite my not being Seth, I think that..

With an unlawfully owned weapon, the shooter would be arrested and charged and likely convicted--of what I am not certain. It could be manslaughter or nothing more than unlawful possession of a firearm.

[Seth]

Seth, what would be the likely outcome over there if an intruder was shot dead by a homeowner using an unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm - as in the case of Tony Martin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

Despite my not being Seth, I think that..

With an unlawfully owned weapon, the shooter would be arrested and charged and likely convicted--of what I am not certain. It could be manslaughter or nothing more than unlawful possession of a firearm.

Depends on what you mean by "unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm." I agree with Gallstones that there would likely be an arrest for the unlawful possession of a firearm (such as by a felon who is prohibited from possessing firearms) but the actual shooting of the intruder would be investigated and if it was a lawful shooting, then he would not be charged with that crime.

The right to self defense exists even if a person is committing a crime by possessing the weapon used in self-defense. If the use of force is lawful, then it's lawful regardless of the legality of the weapon used.

[Robert_S]

Seth, what would be the likely outcome over there if an intruder was shot dead by a homeowner using an unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm - as in the case of Tony Martin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

Despite my not being Seth, I think that..

With an unlawfully owned weapon, the shooter would be arrested and charged and likely convicted--of what I am not certain. It could be manslaughter or nothing more than unlawful possession of a firearm.

Depends on what you mean by "unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm." I agree with Gallstones that there would likely be an arrest for the unlawful possession of a firearm (such as by a felon who is prohibited from possessing firearms) but the actual shooting of the intruder would be investigated and if it was a lawful shooting, then he would not be charged with that crime.

The right to self defense exists even if a person is committing a crime by possessing the weapon used in self-defense. If the use of force is lawful, then it's lawful regardless of the legality of the weapon used.

Exactly.

[Tyrannical]

Seth, what would be the likely outcome over there if an intruder was shot dead by a homeowner using an unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm - as in the case of Tony Martin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29

Despite my not being Seth, I think that..

With an unlawfully owned weapon, the shooter would be arrested and charged and likely convicted--of what I am not certain. It could be manslaughter or nothing more than unlawful possession of a firearm.

Depends on what you mean by "unlawfully owned shotgun or firearm." I agree with Gallstones that there would likely be an arrest for the unlawful possession of a firearm (such as by a felon who is prohibited from possessing firearms) but the actual shooting of the intruder would be investigated and if it was a lawful shooting, then he would not be charged with that crime.

The right to self defense exists even if a person is committing a crime by possessing the weapon used in self-defense. If the use of force is lawful, then it's lawful regardless of the legality of the weapon used.

I think G Gordon Liddy once said that he owns no firearms. However, his wife owns many and keeps some of them on his nightstand.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

Had to look him up.
Hmmm....a convicted burglar.

[Svartalf]

Or Lozzer.

That's his femur.

That ain't no femur

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Last time I shot someone it took over a month for the various agencies involved to clear me to return to packing heat on duty. LAPD, State of California, AND the USN all had to review the case. Posse Comitatus (the law, not the Ratz) complicated things.