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Re: Reading about ancient people

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:24 am

Tero wrote:And 8 tracks had no connection to classical, usually LPs.

Where did she find them?
She recorded them for him. She seemed very proud of that. (She worked in a studio and had access to some really groovy music, but all she sent was classical.)
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:10 pm

Any books people know about metal? I am looking up stuff on wiki mostly. It turns out bronze was fairly easy to make. But then people found assorted oxides:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiterite
you need to reduce them to metal, and the first reagent seems to have been carbon monoxide, which picks off O from oxides to go to CO2.

Wiki gives a handy mineral website. I do have a book on minerals.
http://webmineral.com/

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:23 pm

Tero wrote:Any books people know about metal? I am looking up stuff on wiki mostly. It turns out bronze was fairly easy to make. But then people found assorted oxides:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassiterite
you need to reduce them to metal, and the first reagent seems to have been carbon monoxide, which picks off O from oxides to go to CO2.

Wiki gives a handy mineral website. I do have a book on minerals.
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Re: Reading about ancient people

Post by Tero » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:58 pm

I poked around with books, and all I found was archeology books. Once again Wiki wins:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... metallurgy

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Tero wrote:I poked around with books, and all I found was archeology books. Once again Wiki wins:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... metallurgy
I used to say the Hittites created the first weapon of mass destruction.
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Post by Tero » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:02 pm

And then the Jews learned to trade it? (Phoenecians).

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:07 pm

Tero wrote:And then the Jews learned to trade it? (Phoenecians).
Without the Hittites, the Romans might not have conquered so much land.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:08 pm

Actually not, Phoenicians remained bronze age fairly late, and were massively involved in the trade of tin, fetching it from as far as Britain.
The Hittites were one of the first iron age people, and typically ended up finding ways to make the soft stuff into steel suitable for weapon making.
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Re: Reading about ancient people

Post by Svartalf » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:09 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Tero wrote:And then the Jews learned to trade it? (Phoenecians).
Without the Hittites, the Romans might not have conquered so much land.
Not sure, Norther Europe seems to have discovered iron metallurgy independantly of Middle eastern developmentss (though later)
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Svartalf wrote:
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Tero wrote:And then the Jews learned to trade it? (Phoenecians).
Without the Hittites, the Romans might not have conquered so much land.
Not sure, Norther Europe seems to have discovered iron metallurgy independantly of Middle eastern developmentss (though later)
But the Romans stole from the Greeks, who stole from the Persians who stole from the Hittites.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:12 pm

Given that the Republic clad its legionary in mail, it's obvious they stole from the Celts who seem to have found it on their own.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:16 pm

Svartalf wrote:Given that the Republic clad its legionary in mail, it's obvious they stole from the Celts who seem to have found it on their own.
But the swords came from the Fertile Crescent by the route above.
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:19 pm

Swords? The gladius was a copy of a Spanish design, and Celtic sword styles bear no trace of influence from the Mediterranean world.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:20 pm

Svartalf wrote:Swords? The gladius was a copy of a Spanish design, and Celtic sword styles bear no trace of influence from the Mediterranean world.
Spanish swords were influenced by Carthagians, who traded with the Middle East.
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Re: Reading about ancient people

Post by Svartalf » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:28 pm

Not much... Straight swords were virtually unknown in Italy and places East until the Romans conquered Spain.
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