Do you see what I see?Seth wrote:I don't think I've ever said that "individualism is and end in itself." Can you cite your reference?
One of my primary values is individual liberty. But don't mistake that for absolute unfettered liberty. I accept the notion that civilization requires ordered liberty, which is the acknowledgment of a set of explicit and implicit individual rights by society as well as acceptance of reasonable regulation of those rights in the interests of public peace and order where the exercise of individual rights by persons come into conflict with the exercise of rights by others. Ordered liberty also includes the processes of balancing and adjudicating such rights and conflicts in ways that allow civilization to proceed with the maximum possible degree of individual liberty but also peacefully and in an orderly manner.
This is the problem with socialist Libertarianism critics; they fail, or more often refuse to ask, understand or accept the fact that Libertarianism is not what THEY think it is, which is usually a complete strawman construct they erect conveniently so they can attack it.
I'm not disposed however to engage in reams of educational material about the truths of Libertarianism in response to ignorant fuckwits who just want to throw shit through the bars of the intellectual cage they are trapped in, so I just play along and take all sorts of unpleasant absolutist positions just to fuck with their tiny minds so I can watch them foam at the mouth and display their fractional wits.
Occasionally someone comes along who wants to have a legitimate, respectful and insightful discussion about Libertarianism, and I'm happy to oblige, if the peanut gallery can be kept at bay...which is nearly impossible here.
Perhaps you'd like to take a stab at actually exploring the details of Libertarian philosophy? It would be a great relief and pleasure if you would.
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What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Dishonesty, low regard for other forum members, a willingness to attack anything and everything.
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At least Schneibster covered a wider range of topics.
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Very passionate is Da Schneib, perhaps a bit too much so.amused wrote:At least Schneibster covered a wider range of topics.
He is sincere and cares very much about the issues he posts about and was easy to throw off balance because of it.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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What is described there is trollishness, Seth.
It is deliberately bringing out the worst in people for your own shits and giggles. But it goes beyond just you and the person you aim at, the rest of the forum have to deal with people at their worst because you feel like bringing it out. It is a form of pollution really and it is inconsiderate to the rest of us.
It is deliberately bringing out the worst in people for your own shits and giggles. But it goes beyond just you and the person you aim at, the rest of the forum have to deal with people at their worst because you feel like bringing it out. It is a form of pollution really and it is inconsiderate to the rest of us.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Robert_S wrote:What is described there is trollishness, Seth.
It is deliberately bringing out the worst in people for your own shits and giggles. But it goes beyond just you and the person you aim at, the rest of the forum have to deal with people at their worst because you feel like bringing it out. It is a form of pollution really and it is inconsiderate to the rest of us.

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So, in conclusion, are we agreed that the pope thinks child buggery isn't so bad?
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No.Seraph wrote:So, in conclusion, are we agreed that the pope thinks child buggery isn't so bad?
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He's thinks it's fucking GREAT!
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Maybe we should try it. I mean, if it's so great, it would be a shame only clergy enjoy it.
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There's a catholic school three bollocks from here.Svartalf wrote:Maybe we should try it. I mean, if it's so great, it would be a shame only clergy enjoy it.

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I'll ask my cousin the nun to introduce me into her school.
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Svartalf wrote:I'll ask my cousin the nun to introduce me into her school kids.

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yeah, that too...
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Our Lady of Perpetual Agony Elementary School doesn't even have a fence around it.Svartalf wrote:yeah, that too...

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