Pope thinks child buggery isn't so bad

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is Seeth still trying to claim the abuse in the Church is no more important than that in any other organization? The self-anointed holders of the public morals should be held to a higher standard than that. However, if I cared enough to take him off ignore I would ask him which "other organizations" have an institutional program of silencing complaintants, spiriting the accused out of the area, and threatening the kids with Hell if they spoke up, often with the required assistance of the parents, some of whom went through the same ordeal and STILL put their own kids in harm's way.

[Animavore]

The church in this country infected every aspect of our lives. Our laws were/are based on their teachings. Our education system was built around them. Book, movies and authors were banned because of them, including Ireland's and one of the world's greatest writers, James Joyce. Our national TV station is based on Catholic mores. The people lived and breathed Catholicism. They were our teachers, mentors and representatives. Of course they are right to admonish them more severely than any secular institution.
American Catholics like Bill Donohue can't get this into their heads. For many Americans religion is just something they do on a Sunday.

[Seth]

Is Seeth still trying to claim the abuse in the Church is no more important than that in any other organization?

Correct. Child abuse is child abuse, it's all equally heinous.

The self-anointed holders of the public morals should be held to a higher standard than that.

I'd say that those who are, by government fiat, in compulsory control of children ought to be held to the highest standard of all, and yet not a word about public school teachers buggering children from you.

However, if I cared enough to take him off ignore I would ask him which "other organizations" have an institutional program of silencing complaintants, spiriting the accused out of the area, and threatening the kids with Hell if they spoke up, often with the required assistance of the parents, some of whom went through the same ordeal and STILL put their own kids in harm's way.

Public schools.

[Seth]

The church in this country infected every aspect of our lives. Our laws were/are based on their teachings. Our education system was built around them. Book, movies and authors were banned because of them, including Ireland's and one of the world's greatest writers, James Joyce. Our national TV station is based on Catholic mores. The people lived and breathed Catholicism. They were our teachers, mentors and representatives. Of course they are right to admonish them more severely than any secular institution.
American Catholics like Bill Donohue can't get this into their heads. For many Americans religion is just something they do on a Sunday.

See, that's what all this anti-Catholic rhetoric is ACTUALLY about: pure, undiluted Atheist religious anti-theist bigotry and hatred. You don't really mind that children are being abused by secular organizations and government agents thousands of times more often than by Catholic priests, you just hate other religions with a zeal and mindlessness that rivals the very worst in theistic zealotry.

[John_fi_Skye]

As a number of posters have hinted, this has really all been about the media, rather than an organised religion. The latter used to be mechanisms used by the powerful to subjugate the rest. In this, they've now largely been replaced by the media. Both deserve our unbridled scepticism.

[Animavore]

As a number of posters have hinted, this has really all been about the media, rather than an organised religion. The latter used to be mechanisms used by the powerful to subjugate the rest. In this, they've now largely been replaced by the media. Both deserve our unbridled scepticism.

What has been about the media?

[John_fi_Skye]

As a number of posters have hinted, this has really all been about the media, rather than an organised religion. The latter used to be mechanisms used by the powerful to subjugate the rest. In this, they've now largely been replaced by the media. Both deserve our unbridled scepticism.

What has been about the media?

Wilfully malicious interpretation of the facts, in order to influence or shape public opinion. It's what they do.

[Robert_S]

You know, this Libertarian/free market argument really needs to be spun off into its own thread with an appropriate title, as it's rather far afield from the Pope and child abuse.

You right! Mods!!!

[Seth]

As a number of posters have hinted, this has really all been about the media, rather than an organised religion. The latter used to be mechanisms used by the powerful to subjugate the rest. In this, they've now largely been replaced by the media. Both deserve our unbridled scepticism.

What has been about the media?

Wilfully malicious interpretation of the facts, in order to influence or shape public opinion. It's what they do.

Excellent point! It might be reasonably said that the media is the new universal religion.

[Svartalf]

Is Seeth still trying to claim the abuse in the Church is no more important than that in any other organization? The self-anointed holders of the public morals should be held to a higher standard than that. However, if I cared enough to take him off ignore I would ask him which "other organizations" have an institutional program of silencing complaintants, spiriting the accused out of the area, and threatening the kids with Hell if they spoke up, often with the required assistance of the parents, some of whom went through the same ordeal and STILL put their own kids in harm's way.

Actually, I suspect there's at least as much abuse in non cath clergy and institutions, but the fragmentedness of the other churches makes it look smaller.

[Robert_S]

Firefighter derail here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=33986

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is Seeth still trying to claim the abuse in the Church is no more important than that in any other organization? The self-anointed holders of the public morals should be held to a higher standard than that. However, if I cared enough to take him off ignore I would ask him which "other organizations" have an institutional program of silencing complaintants, spiriting the accused out of the area, and threatening the kids with Hell if they spoke up, often with the required assistance of the parents, some of whom went through the same ordeal and STILL put their own kids in harm's way.

Actually, I suspect there's at least as much abuse in non cath clergy and institutions, but the fragmentedness of the other churches makes it look smaller.

And the report in question says that such is twice the national average for the Netherlands. So the problem is more severe in the churches. And the Catlickers have institutionalized it, it's now part of their "culture".

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Firefighter derail here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=33986

Plus one post that wasn't about firefighters.

[Robert_S]

Firefighter derail here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=33986

Plus one post that wasn't about firefighters.

I went back and fixed it, along with the response to it.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Firefighter derail here: http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=33986

Plus one post that wasn't about firefighters.

I went back and fixed it, along with the response to it.

Too late, it's pistils at dawn.