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David Cameron says "No! No! No!" to new Euro treaty ...

Post by klr » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:24 pm

... Maggie Thatcher would be proud of him, but I hope he likes working with a minority of 1 from 27. :ddpan:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16115373
UK alone as EU agrees fiscal deal

European leaders say 26 out of 27 EU member states have backed a tax and budget pact to tackle the eurozone debt crisis.

Only the UK has said it will not join. Prime Minister David Cameron said he had to protect key British interests, including its financial markets.

The 17 countries that use the euro have all agreed to the deal.

Nine other countries have said they will sign up, some pending consultations with their parliaments.

Hungary originally said it would also remain outside the deal but has now changed its stance.

'Stable euro'

The UK effectively used its veto to block an attempt, led by the French and Germans, to get all 27 EU states to support changes to the union's treaties.

Instead, eurozone members and others will adopt an accord with penalties for breaking deficit rules. It will be backed by a treaty between governments, not an EU treaty.

"In fact, 26 leaders are in favour of joining this effort. They recognise the euro is a common good," said European Council President Herman Van Rompuy.

Mr Cameron said he had done "the right thing" by not signing up to the deal, as it was not in Britain's interests.

"We were offered a treaty that didn't have proper safeguards for Britain, and I decided it was not right to sign that treaty," he told the BBC.

"We're still in the single market. That is the best safeguard of keeping markets open," he said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the UK was the only country to have expressed reservations, but that Mr Cameron had recognised that a stable euro was in Britain's interest.

Of the nine other EU countries outside the euro, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Sweden have said they must consult their parliaments. Six others - including Denmark, Poland and Latvia - have agreed to join the new deal.

However, some countries - such as the Republic of Ireland, which is in the eurozone - have a constitutional requirement to hold a referendum on any major transfer of powers to the EU.

The Irish Minister for European Affairs, Lucinda Creighton, told the Reuters news agency the probability of a referendum was "50-50 and we will be looking at the detail over the next couple of weeks".

EU leaders aim to have the pact - known as a "fiscal compact" - ready to take effect by March.

Its main provisions include:

* a cap of 0.5% of GDP on countries' annual structural deficits
* "automatic consequences" for countries whose public deficit exceeds 3% of GDP
* the tighter rules to be enshrined in countries' constitutions
* the EU's permanent bailout facility, the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), to be accelerated and brought into force in July 2012
* the adequacy of 500bn-euro (£427bn; $666bn) limit for the ESM to be reassessed
* eurozone and other EU countries to provide up to 200bn euros to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to help debt-stricken eurozone members

The BBC's Europe editor Gavin Hewitt, in Brussels, says the new pact will be quicker to set up than a change to the treaty but it may prove less rigorous.

But, he says, Europe has taken a big step towards closer integration, with binding rules over tax and spending, and sanctions against countries that overspend.

Nearly 10 hours of talks could not produce an agreement involving all member states.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the sticking point had been Mr Cameron's insistence on a protocol allowing London to opt-out on proposed change on financial services.

"We could not accept this," he said.

IMF chief Christine Lagarde welcomed the deal as "a really good step in the right direction".

But the announcement from Brussels failed to lift the markets, which are still hoping for more intervention by the European Central Bank (ECB), and European stocks traded slightly down on Friday.
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Re: David Cameron says "No! No! No!" to new Euro treaty ...

Post by PsychoSerenity » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:22 pm

To be honest I don't understand enough about this to comment - but I'm vaguely inclined to agree with some of the points made here:
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Posted on December 9, 2011 by garryk99

Last night David Cameron really put the Euro cat among the pigeons. A Franco-German plan for a treaty including all 27 EU Nations was vetoed by him, when he failed to win an exemption from new financial regulations for the United Kingdom. Instead of an EU wide treaty, a new intergovernmental treaty will be negotiated between those countries who wish to take part (23 countries so far).

The response back home has been as expected. Eurosceptics are delighted, as they see it as the UK’s chance to get of the Euro train to the United States of Europe. Europhiles are warning that the UK is isolated, and a worsening relationship with Europe will damage our main export market.

Our Prime Minister invoked the veto due to not getting the exemption for the financial sector that the City wants. It is clear that the deregulation of the financial sector is a very significant issue when tracing the root cause of the current global economic difficulties. Most on the Left believe that the type of new regulation proposed, such as a transaction tax, is desperately needed. I concur with this view, but believe that this should not done as part of the treaty proposed.

However, the treaty as proposed would have introduced other elements that the progressive left should have great issues with:

- A cap of 0.5% of GDP on countries’ annual structural deficits
- Automatic consequences for countries whose public deficit exceeds 3% of GDP
- Tighter rules to be enshrined in countries’ constitutions

These measures interfere with a Nation’s freedom to run its own economic policy. The big concern of myself and others across the political spectrum is that the undemocratic nature of the EU grows. A free market has become a monetary union. The next step is fiscal union. Both Italy and Greece have new Leaders who have not been democratically elected, but put in place to deliver austerity measures demanded by Global Finance. Look at the streets of Greece – does it look like the people support austerity?

The measures proposed further erode the power of National Governments to determine their own future. The truth is that the EU is headed for the only logical place it can. Monetary union cannot work with fiscal and political union. The crisis in Europe is to a large part due to the flawed structure of its Monetary Union. It must do one of two things – abandon the project entirely or head to the United States of Europe. Trying to straddle the two is damaging the whole continent. Nothing in this treaty does anything to fix the current crisis in the Eurozone.

David Cameron sees the two ways ahead. While I do not support his reasons for choosing the path he did, it is the path I would choose for the sake of democracy. It might be an unclear and lonely path, but the other way heads full speed off the edge of a cliff in broad daylight.

David’s move will be very popular with the broadly Eurosceptic British Electorate. I believe that this will seriously boost the electoral prospects of the Conservatives in 2015, and Ed Miliband’s uphill struggle has now got twice as difficult.
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Post by klr » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:31 pm

I don't agree with the last bit about this proving popular with the UK electorate, given the old maxim that "a week is a long time in politics". By the time the next general election comes around, the negative ramifications of this policy direction might have become very apparent. The UK is going to become more isolated as a result of this.

Also, I don't think the UK has any moral high ground from which it can preach to the Eurozone on financial matters. Anyone remember RBS and Northern Rock? :hehe:
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Post by Pappa » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:40 am

klr wrote:Anyone remember RBS and Northern Rock? :hehe:
Yes. I bought shared in RBS when the crashed to 14p a share. :{D

I only wish I could have got some Northern Rock ones too (which were less than a penny).
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Post by Drewish » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:12 am

And the ever faster unification of Europe continues...
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Post by Azathoth » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:19 am

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Azathoth wrote:Ein volk ein Reich ein Fuhrer
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Post by redunderthebed » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:00 am

Azathoth wrote:Ein volk ein Reich ein Fuhrer
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Post by JimC » Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:22 am

One could write a damn good speculative novel, set in a few years time, where a United States of Europe, minus Britain, is lurching to the right, under the rule of a charismatic leader. Russia is re-arming, the USA has gone all isolationist, and British TV channels are showing endless repeats of the Battle of Britain...
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:48 am

We have seen off the Boche more than once, we will do it again. First step, dust off Plan W....
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Post by JimC » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:51 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:We have seen off the Boche more than once, we will do it again. First step, dust off Plan W....
Then send for troops from Oz and NZ...

Remember. all Australian soldiers will automatically tell British officers to get stuffed...

Deal with it, because, given enough beer, they are awesome warriors...
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:54 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:We have seen off the Boche more than once, we will do it again. First step, dust off Plan W....
Then send for troops from Oz and NZ...

Remember. all Australian soldiers will automatically tell British officers to get stuffed...

Deal with it, because, given enough beer, they are awesome warriors...
I'm sure the Dominions have already been given their instructions.
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Post by JimC » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:56 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:
JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:We have seen off the Boche more than once, we will do it again. First step, dust off Plan W....
Then send for troops from Oz and NZ...

Remember. all Australian soldiers will automatically tell British officers to get stuffed...

Deal with it, because, given enough beer, they are awesome warriors...
I'm sure the Dominions have already been given their instructions.
And if you buy our wheat and sheep for the next 50 years, we will take up arms...
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Post by von Starnberg » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:56 am

We in Prussia are the players of the long game, it it not so? Our hour of victory edges closer, without a sword drawn. I hope, Huxley, you will a warm welcome give to your new German overlords?

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:58 am

Fuck off, Starnberg. You can catch a Frenchman with his pants down but an Englishman's britches are made of sterner stuff. I look forward to stabling my charger in the Reichstag, you bullet-headed goon.
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