Another Virginia Tech Shooting

[Coito ergo sum]

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=41&sid=2662317

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/0 ... 36934.html

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16126496

One cop and one civilian killed.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Cops opening fire at random again?

[Seth]

Once again an armed killer is loose in a "gun free zone." How is that possible? After all, Virginia Tech has a rule against carrying guns on campus. How on earth was this person able to bring a gun onto campus and kill two people?

It's a puzzlement, isn't it?

[Clinton Huxley]

Cue deranged gun nuts missing the entirely bleeding obvious...

[Ian]

Apparently the 2nd fatality was the shooter.

[Drewish]

I don't think this comes down either way for the gun anti-gun thing. He was armed in a no-gun zone, but he killed a cop, who was himself armed.

[Seth]

I don't think this comes down either way for the gun anti-gun thing. He was armed in a no-gun zone, but he killed a cop, who was himself armed.

Which is merely bad luck or bad tactics on the part of the police officer and militates against everyone else being armed for self defense how, exactly?

[Seth]

Cue deranged gun nuts missing the entirely bleeding obvious...

You mean the idiotic notion that gun bans keep guns out of the hands of deranged criminals? You are aware that the shooter broke a large number of laws by possessing and using a firearm to kill other people, right?

It should be "entirely bleeding obvious" that all those laws, including the ones that forbade everyone else on that campus from lawfully carrying a gun for self-protection, did absolutely nothing to prevent the shootings.

Need I point out Dunblane, Scotland (among others) again as an obvious failure of UK anti-gun laws to prevent a deranged person from shooting people?

[Azathoth]

Once again an armed killer is loose in a "gun free zone." How is that possible? After all, Virginia Tech has a rule against carrying guns on campus. How on earth was this person able to bring a gun onto campus and kill two people?

It's a puzzlement, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_sho ... _-_Present

1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
2000–2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001–2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002–2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003–2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004–2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005–2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006–2007 (16 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007–2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008–2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009–2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

How many in the UK in the same period since the heavy gun control after Dunblaine again? Could it be 0? You just keep telling yourself how free availability of guns keeps you safe.

[Clinton Huxley]

Cue deranged gun nuts missing the entirely bleeding obvious...

You mean the idiotic notion that gun bans keep guns out of the hands of deranged criminals? You are aware that the shooter broke a large number of laws by possessing and using a firearm to kill other people, right?

It should be "entirely bleeding obvious" that all those laws, including the ones that forbade everyone else on that campus from lawfully carrying a gun for self-protection, did absolutely nothing to prevent the shootings.

Need I point out Dunblane, Scotland (among others) again as an obvious failure of UK anti-gun laws to prevent a deranged person from shooting people?

Thanks, I refer you to my previous comment.

[Drewish]

I don't think this comes down either way for the gun anti-gun thing. He was armed in a no-gun zone, but he killed a cop, who was himself armed.

Which is merely bad luck or bad tactics on the part of the police officer and militates against everyone else being armed for self defense how, exactly?

Reread the bolded parts.

[Seth]

Once again an armed killer is loose in a "gun free zone." How is that possible? After all, Virginia Tech has a rule against carrying guns on campus. How on earth was this person able to bring a gun onto campus and kill two people?

It's a puzzlement, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_sho ... _-_Present

1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
2000–2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001–2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002–2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003–2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004–2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005–2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006–2007 (16 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007–2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008–2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2009–2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

How many in the UK in the same period since the heavy gun control after Dunblaine again? Could it be 0? You just keep telling yourself how free availability of guns keeps you safe.

And what is the violent crime rate in the UK, as compared to the US? Not just the gun-crime rate, but the overall violent crime rate. It's safer everywhere in the US except perhaps Washington DC (where there is an almost total gun ban) than it is in the major cities of the UK, particularly places like London and Glasgow.

[Ian]

Crime in DC has plummeted over the last ten years. Talk about Detroit instead.

[Seth]

I don't think this comes down either way for the gun anti-gun thing. He was armed in a no-gun zone, but he killed a cop, who was himself armed.

Which is merely bad luck or bad tactics on the part of the police officer and militates against everyone else being armed for self defense how, exactly?

Reread the bolded parts.

I did. What's your point? My point is that it clearly comes down in favor of law-abiding citizens being armed against the predation of gun-toting criminals who will kill cops, and anybody else who gets in their way.

[MrJonno]

If even the thought of self defence enters your mind in peace time then there is either something seriously wrong with your society or something wrong with you.