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That defence review is looking such a good idea right now..,

Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:11 pm

Looks like the Argies are getting bolshie again over their ludicrous tired-old inherited-Spanish-imperial-claim to the Falklands.

But don't fret dear Falklanders, we'll send down an aircraft carrier and some Harriers in order to def.. ..oh wait... ...we flogged 'em off. :doh:
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Post by Schneibster » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:29 pm

So, how come half of you guys' newspapers (Telegraph, Daily Mail) have this story, and half (Guardian, Times) don't? :ask:
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Post by Audley Strange » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:31 pm

So when will we be bombing Venezuela?
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Post by MrJonno » Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:36 pm

Well we can't afford aircraft carriers and we can't afford the Falklands, sad but I won't lose any sleep over it
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:12 pm

Schneibster wrote:So, how come half of you guys' newspapers (Telegraph, Daily Mail) have this story, and half (Guardian, Times) don't? :ask:
I was wondering that myself actually - I tried to find the story on the BBC and the Guardian.

The actual 'blockade' isn't new, the Argies just seem to be stepping it up a gear.
Audley Strange wrote:So when will we be bombing Venezuela?
In all seriousness, if Argentina makes a proper move again, I would be surprised if Chavez backs them up - so indeed we may have to end-up engaging with Venezuela if this turns nasty.
MrJonno wrote:Well we can't afford aircraft carriers and we can't afford the Falklands, sad but I won't lose any sleep over it
Who's this 'we'? The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, who are independent in almost all respects - we do however have a historical responsibility to defend them militarily - crying poverty would be a pretty shitty reason to back out of that responsibility.

Also, I can't believe the obvious pun you missed making there.
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Post by MrJonno » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:59 pm

Who's this 'we'? The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, who are independent in almost all respects - we do however have a historical responsibility to defend them militarily - crying poverty would be a pretty shitty reason to back out of that responsibility.
We have a responsbility within military and economic reason we abandoned the Channel Islands in WW2 as it wasnt practical to defend them. We have troops and some modern aircraft in the Falklands now and if that isnt enough deterent well tough
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Post by Schneibster » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:09 pm

They do call them the Torygraph and the Daily Fail, after all. I suspect the conservatives are raisin' hell about it.

Faux Entertainment is raising hell in the US about Iran and their nuclear weapons and most of the rest of the papers in the US are like, gee, the CIA and military don't seem very excited about this, maybe it's no biggie.

Kinda the same?
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MrJonno wrote:
Who's this 'we'? The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, who are independent in almost all respects - we do however have a historical responsibility to defend them militarily - crying poverty would be a pretty shitty reason to back out of that responsibility.
We have a responsbility within military and economic reason we abandoned the Channel Islands in WW2 as it wasnt practical to defend them. We have troops and some modern aircraft in the Falklands now and if that isnt enough deterent well tough
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Post by Azathoth » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:23 pm

Very strange that Angentina renews their interest in the Falklands just after 350 million barrels of oil get discovered just offshore isn't it?
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Post by PsychoSerenity » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:46 pm

Azathoth wrote:Very strange that Angentina renews their interest in the Falklands just after 350 million barrels of oil get discovered just offshore isn't it?
Oh if there's oil involved it's well within their rights to invade. Just ask the Americans.
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Post by Schneibster » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:11 am

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Azathoth wrote:Very strange that Angentina renews their interest in the Falklands just after 350 million barrels of oil get discovered just offshore isn't it?
Oh if there's oil involved it's well within their rights to invade. Just ask the Americans.
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Invade the Falklands?

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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:11 am

MrJonno wrote:
Who's this 'we'? The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, who are independent in almost all respects - we do however have a historical responsibility to defend them militarily - crying poverty would be a pretty shitty reason to back out of that responsibility.
We have a responsbility within military and economic reason we abandoned the Channel Islands in WW2 as it wasnt practical to defend them. We have troops and some modern aircraft in the Falklands now and if that isnt enough deterent well tough
Hardly comparable situations.

Azathoth wrote:Very strange that Angentina renews their interest in the Falklands just after 350 million barrels of oil get discovered just offshore isn't it?
Maybe. Maybe not.

It could have more to do with domestic Argentine politics. Historically when the hoary old cry of "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" is heard echoing across the South Atlantic, it's normally been a sign that someone in Buenos Aires is attempting to distract and/or stir-up the masses in order to maintain or consolidate their position.



Or alternatively, it could be the oil.
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Post by klr » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:15 am

Horwood Beer-Master wrote: ...
It could have more to do with domestic Argentine politics. Historically when the hoary old cry of "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" is heard echoing across the South Atlantic, it's normally been a sign that someone in Buenos Aires is attempting to distract and/or stir-up the masses in order to maintain or consolidate their position.
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That's certainly what happened in '82. :eddy:
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Post by Schneibster » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:17 am

Horwood Beer-Master wrote:
Azathoth wrote:Very strange that Angentina renews their interest in the Falklands just after 350 million barrels of oil get discovered just offshore isn't it?
Maybe. Maybe not.

It could have more to do with domestic Argentine politics. Historically when the hoary old cry of "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" is heard echoing across the South Atlantic, it's normally been a sign that someone in Buenos Aires is attempting to distract and/or stir-up the masses in order to maintain or consolidate their position.



Or alternatively, it could be the oil.
Sounds like there could be two good reasons.
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Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:28 am

klr wrote:
Horwood Beer-Master wrote: ...
It could have more to do with domestic Argentine politics. Historically when the hoary old cry of "Las Malvinas son Argentinas" is heard echoing across the South Atlantic, it's normally been a sign that someone in Buenos Aires is attempting to distract and/or stir-up the masses in order to maintain or consolidate their position.
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That's certainly what happened in '82. :eddy:
Thankfully it didn't work out for General Galtieri :tup:

Unfortunately, it ended-up winning Maggie the next election instead :tdown:


Although it did lead to a classic exchange in an episode of Yes Minister,

Hacker: "if I succeed, this could be my 'Falkland Islands'."

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