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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:15 pm

hadespussercats wrote:Here is that same quote, in context.
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hadespussercats wrote:Okay, I'm back, at least for a bit, because it's an interesting thread. And I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but maybe I'll give it a try. First, though:
Schneibster wrote:At some point, people who are insane become a threat to themselves and society. Currently we determine this by noting that they've hurt or killed someone. This seems a bit callous to me. Apparently not to you.
I realize Seth has already pointed this out, but I'd like to confirm that there are in fact many insane people who are no threat to society, and only a threat to themselves in that they can't organize their thoughts well enough to take care of themselves.
Those people are not psychopaths.
"Those people" is the people you specified who are no threat to society.

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Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:16 pm

hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:23 pm

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hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
You were attributing nasty behaviors and murderous tendencies to the insane, without distinction. This as a deep insult to the non-violent insane.
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:24 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
You were attributing nasty behaviors and murderous tendencies to the insane, without distinction. This as a deep insult to the non-violent insane.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how that applies to your non sequitur. You sound confused. And angry.

And paranoid.

ETA: Not to mention you just moved the goalposts.
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:26 pm

Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
It's not a non sequitur, because hades' conclusions do follow from her premises. You mischaracterized what she was saying. That's not a surprise coming from you, though.

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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:27 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
It's not a non sequitur,
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:29 pm

Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
You were attributing nasty behaviors and murderous tendencies to the insane, without distinction. This as a deep insult to the non-violent insane.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how that applies to your non sequitur. You sound confused. And angry.

And paranoid.

ETA: Not to mention you just moved the goalposts.
She didn't. And, you go from mischaracterizing her argument, to namecalling and ad hominem. That too appears to be your modus operandi.

Moving the goalposts is plainly not applicable here. Moving the goalposts is when evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. That didn't happen here at all.

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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:29 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
You were attributing nasty behaviors and murderous tendencies to the insane, without distinction. This as a deep insult to the non-violent insane.
I'm sorry, but I don't see how that applies to your non sequitur. You sound confused. And angry.

And paranoid.

ETA: Not to mention you just moved the goalposts.
She didn't.
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:30 pm

Schneibster wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:To clarify-- If insane people are not all psychopaths, don't refer to psychopaths by calling them people who are insane. Thanks.
You just claimed that if not all insane people are psychopaths, not all psychopaths are insane people.

Logical fallacy: Non sequitur.
It's not a non sequitur,
:snork:

It's not a non sequitur, because hades' conclusions do follow from her premises. You mischaracterized what she was saying. That's not a surprise coming from you, though.

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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:32 pm

Dude, she claimed if not all insane people are psychopaths, then not all psychopaths are insane. It does not follow. That is the definition of "non sequitur."

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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:35 pm

I'll take that as a "no."
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:37 pm

Schneibster wrote:Dude, she claimed if not all insane people are psychopaths,
False. Your inability to comprehend the English language is not Hades' fault. It's your own deficiency.
Schneibster wrote:
then not all psychopaths are insane.
False. She made no such claim either.
Schneibster wrote:
It does not follow. That is the definition of "non sequitur."
But, she didn't say what you mischaracterized her as saying.
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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:40 pm

Schneibster wrote:I'll take that as a "no."
Take it however you like. You're plainly not interested in what Hades was actually telling you. She clarified it, and you still made up some strange allegation that bore no resemblance to what she actually said. You run around accusing people of "lying" when telling complete and utter falsehoods is apparently a hobby of yours. You won't answer simple questions. You demand that people provide "proof or don't say it," but you decline to follow that same rule. Your arguments quickly devolve into name calling and ad hominem, and when you're not mischaracterizing people's arguments you're ignoring them

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Re: Psychopaths

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:40 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Schneibster wrote:Dude, she claimed if not all insane people are psychopaths,
False.
I quoted it. Sorry you're having trouble with reality.
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