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YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Mr P » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:52 pm

It's something and nothing really but I'm quite proud of my little self.

A friend on FB posted this lovely little gem of a video:



So in the interest of open and fair discourse posted this response:
Two minutes in and the film repeats the false claim that human tracks were discovered alongside dinosaur tracks in Texas. These refer to the supposed prints found at Paluxy in Texas and promoted by the creationist Kent Hovind in an attempt to falsify evolution for purely religious reasons: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/ ... c.html#G4d. The film doesn’t get off to a good start by perpetuating a proven lie.

The film then goes on to repeat the claims of Josiah Whitney regarding discoveries made beneath table mountain and that they have been ignored by scientists, followed by claims of a massive cover up, this isn’t true. It makes claims about found artifacts but fails to mention the discovery of the Calaveras skull (supposedly found at the same site) which was also shown to be false:
“However, its authenticity was immediately challenged. In 1869 a San Francisco newspaper reported that a miner had told a minister that the skull was planted as a practical joke. Thomas Wilson of Harvard ran a fluorine analysis on it in 1879 (the first ever usage of such on human bone), with the results indicating it was of recent origin. It was so widely believed to be a hoax that Bret Harte famously wrote a satirical poem called "To the Pliocene Skull" in 1899.” From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calaveras_Skull. The reason these “discoveries” don’t get reported is that they have been shown to be false… not because of a cover up.

The accusation then made by Richard Thompson in the film that science operates a “knowledge filter” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny as progress can only be made (and Nobel prizes won) when evidence that “doesn’t fit the paradigm” (as he says) can be explained by rigorous means.

A full review of the video is given here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/mom-review.html including additional information left out of the film, and states that “The statements in this video do not stand up to critical examination, and in most cases consist of old arguments that have been repeatedly and conclusively refuted as far back as 1984 and earlier. There is a great deal of contradictory information that could have been presented by scientists intimately familiar with these hoaxes. This information was not presented because it would have destroyed the goal of the program: to attack science. The program was nothing more than a one-sided propaganda video with strong overtones of religious fundamentalism masquerading as science.”

Religious fundamentalism masquerading as science just about sums it up.
Unfortunately I didn't copy his response as I wasn't expecting anything to be deleted but it basically amounted to "The high and mighty scientists are just as bad as religions", there was some usual stuff about the arrogance of scientists, about not listening to any of my lectures and then he decided it wasn't going to be discussed further. I posted a response about looking at the evidence and that it wasn't a lecture, then a point about selective reporting on the vid and finished with the "of course science doesn't know everything" Dara O Briain quote.

Then two minutes later the whole discussion was deleted.

It's my first censorship and I consider it a moral victory :biggrin:

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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Drewish » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:14 pm

If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Mr P » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:17 pm

andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Ooh that's good, can I use it?

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Post by Animavore » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:26 pm

I was censored and given a warning once on RatSkep once but I fought it :smug:
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Drewish » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:27 pm

Mr P wrote:
andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Ooh that's good, can I use it?
Sure, bonus points if you do it like this:

"If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth." - Andrew Clunn
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Post by Mr P » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:30 pm

Animavore wrote:I was censored and given a warning once on RatSkep once but I fought it :smug:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... ml#p828945
Dammit, you made me log in to the other place.

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Post by Animavore » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:34 pm

Mr P wrote:
Animavore wrote:I was censored and given a warning once on RatSkep once but I fought it :smug:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... ml#p828945
Dammit, you made me log in to the other place.
Which other place? I normally just use the toilet.
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Mr P » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:39 pm

andrewclunn wrote:
Mr P wrote:
andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Ooh that's good, can I use it?
Sure, bonus points if you do it like this:

"If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth." - Andrew Clunn
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Animavore wrote:
Mr P wrote:
Animavore wrote:I was censored and given a warning once on RatSkep once but I fought it :smug:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... ml#p828945
Dammit, you made me log in to the other place.
Which other place? I normally just use the toilet.
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Post by HomerJay » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:31 pm

Animavore wrote:I was censored and given a warning once on RatSkep once but I fought it :smug:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... ml#p828945
Durro wrote:Let's not have to have this sort of discussion again, or else you may end up earning a formal warning
I hope you beat him with a fresh kipper.

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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Ronja » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:44 pm

andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Does getting a "friendly recommendation" from the highest bureaucrat of the organization to "return to full time studies" count? :ask:



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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Ronja » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:48 pm

Mr P, you should indeed count it as a moral victory! :cheer:
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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:59 am

It would be SOOOO funny to abuse my admin powaz and redact every post in this thread - but a lot less work (and hassle) to just mention that I could if I was a little more megalomaniacal and dunk. :biggrin:
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:03 am

andrewclunn wrote:
Mr P wrote:
andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Ooh that's good, can I use it?
Sure, bonus points if you do it like this:

"If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth." - Andrew Clunn
Most hypotheses that go against the standard paradigm are bullshit.

But cranks always claim to be suppressed.
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Drewish » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:19 am

Schneibster wrote:
andrewclunn wrote:
Mr P wrote:
andrewclunn wrote:If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth. Good job!
Ooh that's good, can I use it?
Sure, bonus points if you do it like this:

"If you 've never been censored then you know you haven't been speaking the truth." - Andrew Clunn
Most hypotheses that go against the standard paradigm are bullshit.

But cranks always claim to be suppressed.
How about, "The only thing that supports my case more than the evidence, is the stupidity of my opposition." Also an Andrew Clunn original.
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Re: YAY!! I got censored.

Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:39 am

Lacks evidence.

What you want to avoid is denying pretty good evidence. Makes you look like a crank.

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