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Post by Seth » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:51 pm

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Seth wrote:The police were operating fully within their authority to remove protesters from a public sidewalk after numerous warnings they would be pepper-sprayed. The protesters will lose because they were violating the law by obstructing a public sidewalk and disobeyed lawful orders to disperse.
Which is the point of a protest - to not move when ordered to and force the authorities into taking action that can then be used to promote sympathy for the protesters. Which is exactly how it is playing out. Fox News is a mouthpiece for the powers that be and can be expected to spin it the other way.
Correct, as I've said many times. They knew what was going to happen and they CHOSE to be sprayed as a part of their agenda of civil disobedience. When one engages in civil disobedience, one must be willing to accept the punishment that one incurs if one hopes to provide the message that the punishment was unjust.

In this case, the punishment was NOT unjust, but they had every right to try to convey that message.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:06 pm

No chance the police would act reasonably, correct?
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Post by Feck » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:10 pm

Pappa wrote:I'd quite like to get sprayed with pepper spray just to find out what it's like.
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Post by DaveD » Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:22 pm

Seth wrote:
amused wrote:
Seth wrote:The police were operating fully within their authority to remove protesters from a public sidewalk after numerous warnings they would be pepper-sprayed. The protesters will lose because they were violating the law by obstructing a public sidewalk and disobeyed lawful orders to disperse.
Which is the point of a protest - to not move when ordered to and force the authorities into taking action that can then be used to promote sympathy for the protesters. Which is exactly how it is playing out. Fox News is a mouthpiece for the powers that be and can be expected to spin it the other way.
Correct, as I've said many times. They knew what was going to happen and they CHOSE to be sprayed as a part of their agenda of civil disobedience. When one engages in civil disobedience, one must be willing to accept the punishment that one incurs if one hopes to provide the message that the punishment was unjust.

In this case, the punishment was NOT unjust, but they had every right to try to convey that message.
Punishment?
Without even a trial?
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DaveD wrote:
Seth wrote:
amused wrote:
Seth wrote:The police were operating fully within their authority to remove protesters from a public sidewalk after numerous warnings they would be pepper-sprayed. The protesters will lose because they were violating the law by obstructing a public sidewalk and disobeyed lawful orders to disperse.
Which is the point of a protest - to not move when ordered to and force the authorities into taking action that can then be used to promote sympathy for the protesters. Which is exactly how it is playing out. Fox News is a mouthpiece for the powers that be and can be expected to spin it the other way.
Correct, as I've said many times. They knew what was going to happen and they CHOSE to be sprayed as a part of their agenda of civil disobedience. When one engages in civil disobedience, one must be willing to accept the punishment that one incurs if one hopes to provide the message that the punishment was unjust.

In this case, the punishment was NOT unjust, but they had every right to try to convey that message.
Punishment?
Without even a trial?
Hm, you're right, I used the wrong word. It wasn't punishment, it was just reasonable and appropriate physical force being used to effect an arrest and eject them from their unlawful position on the sidewalk. Thanks for pointing out that locutional error for me.
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Post by Tyrannical » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:15 am

Would everyone be happier if they just sprayed Tabasco sauce in their faces? Or maybe Dave's Gourmet Insanity sauce? Pure Cap would be cruel, maybe :eddy:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:19 am

Tyrannical wrote:Would everyone be happier if they just sprayed Tabasco sauce in their faces? Or maybe Dave's Gourmet Insanity sauce? Pure Cap would be cruel, maybe :eddy:
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Post by Azathoth » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:26 am

Seth wrote:
DaveD wrote:
Seth wrote:
amused wrote:
Seth wrote:The police were operating fully within their authority to remove protesters from a public sidewalk after numerous warnings they would be pepper-sprayed. The protesters will lose because they were violating the law by obstructing a public sidewalk and disobeyed lawful orders to disperse.
Which is the point of a protest - to not move when ordered to and force the authorities into taking action that can then be used to promote sympathy for the protesters. Which is exactly how it is playing out. Fox News is a mouthpiece for the powers that be and can be expected to spin it the other way.
Correct, as I've said many times. They knew what was going to happen and they CHOSE to be sprayed as a part of their agenda of civil disobedience. When one engages in civil disobedience, one must be willing to accept the punishment that one incurs if one hopes to provide the message that the punishment was unjust.

In this case, the punishment was NOT unjust, but they had every right to try to convey that message.
Punishment?
Without even a trial?
Hm, you're right, I used the wrong word. It wasn't punishment, it was just reasonable and appropriate physical force being used to effect an arrest and eject them from their unlawful position on the sidewalk. Thanks for pointing out that locutional error for me.
Reasonable force would have been to lift them up and move them physically off the pavement. If they started fighting that then pepper spray may have been appropriate dependent on the level of their resistance. To just waltz up and spray them is brutality
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Post by Gawd » Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:10 am

Or heaven forbid that the police would actually hire people that can talk politely instead of high school drop outs that like to beat people up for fun.

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Post by redunderthebed » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:14 am

Azathoth wrote:

Reasonable force would have been to lift them up and move them physically off the pavement. If they started fighting that then pepper spray may have been appropriate dependent on the level of their resistance. To just waltz up and spray them is brutality
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:08 pm

Gawd wrote:Or heaven forbid that the police would actually hire people that can talk politely instead of high school drop outs that like to beat people up for fun.
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Re: O'Reilly: Pepper Spray Is a Food Product

Post by amused » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:24 pm

Azathoth wrote:
Seth wrote:
DaveD wrote:
Seth wrote:
Correct, as I've said many times. They knew what was going to happen and they CHOSE to be sprayed as a part of their agenda of civil disobedience. When one engages in civil disobedience, one must be willing to accept the punishment that one incurs if one hopes to provide the message that the punishment was unjust.

In this case, the punishment was NOT unjust, but they had every right to try to convey that message.
Punishment?
Without even a trial?
Hm, you're right, I used the wrong word. It wasn't punishment, it was just reasonable and appropriate physical force being used to effect an arrest and eject them from their unlawful position on the sidewalk. Thanks for pointing out that locutional error for me.
Reasonable force would have been to lift them up and move them physically off the pavement. If they started fighting that then pepper spray may have been appropriate dependent on the level of their resistance. To just waltz up and spray them is brutality
That was my thought as well at first, but if you look at the cop doing the spraying, you'll see a problem. They're not really in good enough physical shape to be safely lifting squirming people without suffering back damage and other physical problems. I believe there is even a lawsuit by a cop against a protester for that very injury.

The point blank pepper spray is overkill, they should have backed up first and clouded the air, then moved a bit closer each time slowly increasing the intensity. IMO. But the photo of the point blank spray is propaganda gold for the protesters.

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Re: O'Reilly: Pepper Spray Is a Food Product

Post by Wumbologist » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:21 pm

I like it better than Tabasco sauce. It's got more kick to it, and the spray allows you to more evenly coat your food.

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Post by Wumbologist » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:23 pm

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