Should we kill wolves in national parks?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Wolf coexistence goes national

A federal wildlife agent demonstrates how to set up fladry to protect livestock from wolves.

The New York Times ran a feature story last weekend that highlighted the efforts of some of our colleagues to promote wolf coexistence. Defenders pioneered these efforts more than 15 years ago to help ranchers come up with better ways to protect their livestock from wolves, and it remains our top priority in the Northern Rockies today. It’s great to see that more conservation groups are getting involved with this important work since there’s more demand than resources available. However, the long-term success of these efforts will rely on increased funding from the federal government. We should be doubling down on nonlethal deterrents instead of paying Wildlife Services millions of tax dollars each year to kill these important native predators.

[Audley Strange]

So is there a reason to start killing them other than for the entertainment of hunters?

Over here fox-hunting enthusiasts would claim "pest control" - an argument that is somewhat undermined by the fact that a group of them were once caught-out providing food and artificial den sites in their area in order to encourage the "pests" so they could increase the chances of a successful hunt.

Yeah but even their hounds knew they were just the chinless, inbred, marble mouthed bastards of the landed gentry trying to pretend they were still important. Foxes are pests though, I'm sick of them trashing my black bags. However I don't think we should hunt and kill them for it any more than we do the Eastern European pests who also raid our bins to try and get details for identity theft.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

So is there a reason to start killing them other than for the entertainment of hunters?

Over here fox-hunting enthusiasts would claim "pest control" - an argument that is somewhat undermined by the fact that a group of them were once caught-out providing food and artificial den sites in their area in order to encourage the "pests" so they could increase the chances of a successful hunt.

Yeah but even their hounds knew they were just the chinless, inbred, marble mouthed bastards of the landed gentry trying to pretend they were still important. Foxes are pests though, I'm sick of them trashing my black bags. However I don't think we should hunt and kill them for it any more than we do the Eastern European pests who also raid our bins to try and get details for identity theft.

You'd have to kill an awful lot of them to make an impact anyway, the fox population tends to stay relatively stable over time with-or-without hunting, no doubt largely due to the ability of vixens to adjust the size of their litters to match available local resources.

[Schneibster]

Fully 80% of the wolves in Wyoming would be eligible to be shot under pending legislation.

I suppose no-remembers (or cares) what happened to Yellowstone when the wolves were eradicated there ... and then brought back.

The anti-wolf faction reminds me so much of fundamentalists it sickens me. "Wolves kill for fun!" "Wolves kill dozens of our livestock and only eat the tongue!" etc. I hate to label a whole group as morons, but damn it's hard not to.

The same moronic drivel that hunting advocates claim for foxes in this country.

They at least have an excuse: foxes are pretty smelly and you guys don't have the kind of room we do. Not much of one, though, I agree.

[Tyrannical]

They make collars for sheep that protect the throat so that coyotes (probably wolves too) can't kill them as they go for the throat.
They also make them with cyanide in them so that it will kill the predator that attacks the sheep too.

[redunderthebed]

. I don't even have time for fishing as a recreational activity.

Sorry to go off topic but wtf is wrong with fishing.

[maiforpeace]

Dear Larry,

Thank you for taking the time to contact President Obama and Secretary Vilsack. With your help, we're protecting wolves and sending a powerful message about the importance of our National Forests.


If you would like to do even more to help, please consider forwarding the message below my signature to a friend and encourage him or her to take action too.

With Gratitude,

Jamie and the rest of the Defenders team

-- Forward this Message --

Hi,

Did you know that under a new plan proposed by the State of Wyoming, wolves throughout the southern Bridger Teton and other National Forests in Wyoming could be shot on sight? Help me save these wolves and protect the sanctity of our National Forests. Take action online at http://dfnd.us/rdXGDT.

Thanks for helping...

Done.

[JimC]

Fully 80% of the wolves in Wyoming would be eligible to be shot under pending legislation.

I suppose no-remembers (or cares) what happened to Yellowstone when the wolves were eradicated there ... and then brought back.

The anti-wolf faction reminds me so much of fundamentalists it sickens me. "Wolves kill for fun!" "Wolves kill dozens of our livestock and only eat the tongue!" etc. I hate to label a whole group as morons, but damn it's hard not to.

The same moronic drivel that hunting advocates claim for foxes in this country.

Whereas in Oz shooting foxes is a useful thing, they are introduced pests who eat too many native animals... I've done my share in the past...

But predators in their natural environment ought to be left alone in most cases, unless there is a sound, rational reason for culling, based on the advice of professional ecologists, not politicians or other idiots...

[klr]

. I don't even have time for fishing as a recreational activity.

Sorry to go off topic but wtf is wrong with fishing.

Maybe you should ask the fishes?

[Schneibster]

. I don't even have time for fishing as a recreational activity.

Sorry to go off topic but wtf is wrong with fishing.

Maybe you should ask the fishes?

Fishes can talk?

[Horwood Beer-Master]

...Whereas in Oz shooting foxes is a useful thing, they are introduced pests who eat too many native animals... I've done my share in the past...

But predators in their natural environment ought to be left alone in most cases, unless there is a sound, rational reason for culling, based on the advice of professional ecologists, not politicians or other idiots...

Ah yes! Australia. Where the immigrant toffs went and introduced those 'pest' foxes so that they could practice.. ...er.. ...'pest control' on them

[Svartalf]

So is there a reason to start killing them other than for the entertainment of hunters?

I hear that fashion creators want to introduce wolfskin as the next "in" thing.

[Svartalf]

Fully 80% of the wolves in Wyoming would be eligible to be shot under pending legislation.

I suppose no-remembers (or cares) what happened to Yellowstone when the wolves were eradicated there ... and then brought back.

The anti-wolf faction reminds me so much of fundamentalists it sickens me. "Wolves kill for fun!" "Wolves kill dozens of our livestock and only eat the tongue!" etc. I hate to label a whole group as morons, but damn it's hard not to.

The same moronic drivel that hunting advocates claim for foxes in this country.

Think of the poor chickens.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So is there a reason to start killing them other than for the entertainment of hunters?

I hear that fashion creators want to introduce wolfskin as the next "in" thing.

You have a link for that?

[Svartalf]

Actually, my previous two posts in this thread are bad jokes.