UK, Canada, and the US Sanction Iran Over Nukes

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Post by Gawd » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:02 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
I'm claiming the Jewish defense: You anti-Semite! And there is no proof of any nuclear weapons and Russia agrees. This is just another demonization campaign by the US and Israel as an excuse for war.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:09 pm

Gawd wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
I'm claiming the Jewish defense: You anti-Semite! And there is no proof of any nuclear weapons and Russia agrees. This is just another demonization campaign by the US and Israel.
See, that isn't the defense. Israel isn't a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and never committed under international law to not have nuclear weapons. Iran did. It's really as simple as that.

If there is no proof of nuclear weapons, and Iran isn't developing them, then why are you arguing that they are developing nuclear weapons and have a right to do so in self-defense? Even Iran doesn't claim they have that right, and Iran denies doing it.

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Post by Gawd » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:19 pm

That's not the Jewish defense. You anti-Semite!

And the NPT is worthless when you have the US and Israel constantly threatening to invade and blow you up. The right to exist and self-defense overrides the NPT.

And they don't speak about specific nuclear capabilities as a matter of policy, just like Israel.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:20 pm

Gawd wrote:That's not the Jewish defense. You anti-Semite!

And the NPT is worthless when you have the US and Israel constantly threatening to invade and blow you up. The right to exist and self-defense overrides the NPT.

And they don't speak about specific nuclear capabilities as a matter of policy, just like Israel.
So, then they are developing nuclear weapons for self defense? Yes?

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Post by Gawd » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:35 pm

Jewish defense.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:36 pm

Gawd wrote:Jewish defense.
So, they are, in fact, developing nuclear weapons, yes? You agree with that?

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Post by Gawd » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:42 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Jewish defense.
So, they are, in fact, developing nuclear weapons, yes? You agree with that?
Jewish defense with American veto.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:56 pm

Gawd wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Jewish defense.
So, they are, in fact, developing nuclear weapons, yes? You agree with that?
Jewish defense with American veto.
So, yes, then. You agree they are developing nuclear weapons.

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Post by Jason » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:25 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
Buggalo Buggalo Trolololololo!

Where is the fucking evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Hmm?

I don't want more fucking accusations and suspicions. Evidence.

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Post by Schneibster » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:03 pm

PordFrefect wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
Buggalo Buggalo Trolololololo!

Where is the fucking evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Hmm?

I don't want more fucking accusations and suspicions. Evidence.
Go to Iran and get it.

Good luck with that.
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Post by Hermit » Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:58 am

Schneibster wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
Buggalo Buggalo Trolololololo!

Where is the fucking evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Hmm?

I don't want more fucking accusations and suspicions. Evidence.
Go to Iran and get it.

Good luck with that.
As if it mattered anyway. We were told of evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction too.
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Post by Schneibster » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:07 am

Seraph wrote:
Schneibster wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gawd wrote:Iran has the right to exist and defend itself. To single it out is anti-Semitic.
They do, yes, but until they withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, they can't have nuclear arms.

And, what are you saying, that Iran has a right to develop nuclear arms now? Even Iran is not claiming that right, and they deny that they are doing it. Are you saying they are lying?
Buggalo Buggalo Trolololololo!

Where is the fucking evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons? Hmm?

I don't want more fucking accusations and suspicions. Evidence.
Go to Iran and get it.

Good luck with that.
As if it mattered anyway. We were told of evidence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction too.
I didn't believe it.

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Sarcasm aside, I figured they'd find some ten-year-old half-corroded chemical shells and trot them out with great fanfare; instead they found jack-shit and tried to distract attention from it with the brightly colored "terror levels." Silly me.

TBQH the sources I read have folks who requested anonymity from inside the US intelligence community saying that the IAEA is somewhat overreacting. The Iranians have everything worked out, they know how to make bombs, but they haven't. Yet. They haven't actually stepped across the line. Word is that's how come the US hasn't cut off their central bank, like the UK did and like Sarkozy is lobbying his allies to do.
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Post by JimC » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:32 am

Back to the OP, I suspect that the oil dollars will still flow... Plenty of countries wanting oil. If Iran drop its price a few bucks below the OPEC standard, buyers will beat a path to their door.

The sanctions may be sound and fury, signifying nothing
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Post by Schneibster » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:51 am

JimC wrote:Back to the OP, I suspect that the oil dollars will still flow... Plenty of countries wanting oil. If Iran drop its price a few bucks below the OPEC standard, buyers will beat a path to their door.

The sanctions may be sound and fury, signifying nothing
The UK has never in history cut anyone off. Not even the central bank of Paris at the height of the Second Napoleonic War. Not even the Reichsbank at the height of either World War.

That's not "nothing."
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Post by JimC » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:55 am

Schneibster wrote:
JimC wrote:Back to the OP, I suspect that the oil dollars will still flow... Plenty of countries wanting oil. If Iran drop its price a few bucks below the OPEC standard, buyers will beat a path to their door.

The sanctions may be sound and fury, signifying nothing
The UK has never in history cut anyone off. Not even the central bank of Paris at the height of the Second Napoleonic War. Not even the Reichsbank at the height of either World War.

That's not "nothing."
Sure, it's a big step for the UK, no doubt, and I'm certainly not objecting to it in principle.

However, it's a big, oil-hungry world out there...
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