MGS3: Snake Eater Mafia - Tactical Espionage Action (GAME)

[amok]

Bad coding, above.

##vote Aza##

[charlou]

Rereading the thread as I tally the votes ... came across this post ...

feck - what's your case on UT?

I un -voted and it's hard to explain but I convinced myself you or he is scum .

Fair enough.


I need to re-read the whole game, but right now contra looks very whiffy. I'm really torn over the aza thing. That andrew was not the NK has me reconsidering.

I think we can narrow down our list of traitors, though. Not that this should be our main focus.

I need help understanding why people think Contra looks scummy. Aza's answer to me when I asked about his vote this morning...

Azathoth wrote:
No reveal and no kill flavour. Evil Gonzo. I would put ade as the scum kill though. He was looking a lot townier than vigmen. Now who would be worried about ade rather than others?

##vote contra##

Amok wrote:
Aza. I know you've changed your vote since then, but where did this come from? Aden wasn't looking at Contra (Athene) as Scum.

Azathoth wrote:
They are both from another board and ade would have the strongest read on contra. Taking into account that contra was late on the b.tern wagon too

...seems like pretty thin gruel to me.

I need to re-read the whole thread. My views on him could change, but in my mind are two specific posts: the way OTT response to zigmen's outing yesterday. And today's aggro post, plus choosing me as the lynch target (I think he kinda thought that town might be led down that path, but guessed wrong and luckily I was viewed in any case).

##unvote MZ## (MZ I'm pretty sure as scum you'd have seen that andrew one-two yesterday and acted on it, so for now you're off the hook)

##vote contra##

Here irre votes the same player Az had voted earlier in the day.

[charlou]

Unvotes contra, votes ... Aza ... ?

also keep in mind we're probably still looking for a traitor. so he might not have had a nk to work with last night.

I was actually thinking aza was the traitor, and was thinking "ffs scum team do I have to spell it out to you?"

Because.. it all fits.

So yes, I'm happy to get behind an aza BW to see what we find.

##unvote contra## (partly because I'm busy and haven't done a full thread read up )

##vote aza##

[charlou]

Pretty sure this is correct ... please confirm ...

vote count

contra 0 (az, irre, char)

Az 5 (mz, char, irre, gib, Andrew, Ut, amok)

Matt 1 (char)

Andrew 0 (az, mz, dp, matt)

MZ 0 (irre)

DP 1 (char, gib, Az, Andrew)

UT 1 (Feck)

amok 1 (DP)

irre 1 (charlou)

[charlou]

Pretty sure this is correct ... please confirm ...

vote count

contra 0 (az, irre, char)

Az 5 (mz, char, irre, gib, Andrew, Ut, amok)

Matt 1 (char)

Andrew 0 (az, mz, dp, matt)

MZ 0 (irre)

DP 1 (char, gib, Az, Andrew)

UT 1 (Feck)

amok 1 (DP)

irre 1 (charlou)

Currently no placed vote: Contra, Feck, MZ, Matt

[charlou]

Pretty sure this is correct ... please confirm ...

vote count

contra 0 (az, irre, char)

Az 5 (mz, char, irre, gib, Andrew, Ut, amok)

Matt 0 (char)

Andrew 0 (az, mz, dp, matt)

MZ 0 (irre)

DP 1 (char, gib, Az, Andrew)

UT 0 (Feck)

amok 1 (DP)

irre 1 (charlou)

Currently no placed vote: Contra, Feck, MZ, Matt

Corrected number tally.

[Magicziggy]

Nope, I saw it "live" ...and if you were online as the thread unfolded, you might have picked up on it too. I mean, what's he debating? He's under lynch pressure, he's already asked about when the day round ends.

before this charlou is asking about whether irre is seeing this with the benefit of hindsight. Given earlier quoted posts, either irre is in denial or she's scum or she's town attempting to muddy the waters around what she saw as a special in order to provide some cover. I need to get to irre's response to this.

[Uselesstwit]

you make a really good case char, i'm just not seeing it as strongly as you are. I will admit that her bailing after saying she was going to reread the thread and after you got on her has me more worried than the original blunder. I just really think aza is scum or the traitor so i'm going to leave my vote. we can hash out irre tomorrow. Who today would be your other picks?

[charlou]

Nope, I saw it "live" ...and if you were online as the thread unfolded, you might have picked up on it too. I mean, what's he debating? He's under lynch pressure, he's already asked about when the day round ends.

before this charlou is asking about whether irre is seeing this with the benefit of hindsight. Given earlier quoted posts, either irre is in denial or she's scum or she's town attempting to muddy the waters around what she saw as a special in order to provide some cover. I need to get to irre's response to this.

At the point irre replied to me with the post you're quoting, there was no need to 'muddy the waters' to protect a special ... She posted that today, after Andrew had fully outed, and she was aware of the out when she posted it.

[charlou]

Who today would be your other picks?

I really have no idea .. wish I did.

You .. Feck ... MZ ... Contra ... Maybe people are right about Az ... I hope so, he's got five votes.

Hopefully I'll have a better idea tomorrow, after we see tonight's actions.

[charlou]

^ *the result of tonight's actions.

[charlou]

DP did not return with any contribution of value, either.

[charlou]

irre has been posting at TR long after she last posted here .. most recent post there was "testicles", just over an hour ago ... a couple of hours after she last posted here. http://talkrational.org/showthread.php? ... ost1598699

[charlou]

Off to work. Back later.

[Magicziggy]

^sorry, quote fail too ...

My problem with Aza relates very much to his annoyed post about jumping off the andrewclunn bandwagon (onto b.tern) and his ridiculous (to me) justification for voting Contra out of the gate today.

The bolded bit was my take on Aza at the time. I wavered on whether to jump onto contra at that point.
I can't remember if it would be enough to save b.t. I think not.
I've found his later contributions more positive though.

MZ, I can't make sense of your post and how it relates to what amok said in the bolded bit ... Can you elaborate and make it clearer, please?

I was online with aza at nightfall. When he came up with that wtf post I considered swinging to Andrew. I then caught myself thinking that aza was trying to save b.t. Such are the internal workings of my brain. Hence my vote on aza out of the blocks next day. I'm not sure any more. I don't think aza would attempt an audacious save like that. It's key to what I'm thinking about aza.