Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

[Warren Dew]

If so, then predatory individuals taking advantage of a disorganised community, rather than a moral indightement of the protestors. Perhaps an indightement of their lack of common sense, though...

I would agree that the rapists are likely just a few of the individuals in the movement, who may not be characteristic of the rest of the movement ... kind of like the people at Tea Party protests who can't spell their signs.

[Atheist-Lite]

If so, then predatory individuals taking advantage of a disorganised community, rather than a moral indightement of the protestors. Perhaps an indightement of their lack of common sense, though...

I would agree that the rapists are likely just a few of the individuals in the movement, who may not be characteristic of the rest of the movement ... kind of like the people at Tea Party protests who can't spell their signs.

All these 'paradise on earth' and 'true harmony' communities fail because they ignore the human condition and the need for a central authority when things go wrong. Then when they do and these folk wake up they often pick the nicest guy in the crowd who turns out to be the sociopathic manipulator leading them to cult suicide, fiscal or carnal corruption. It is better to have some one with a bit a real stern authority in charge and some clear rules. Being inclusive of all means we accept the average IQ is 100 and some folks can't spell too well. The problem with so called 'libertarians' is they have ideals that blind them to reality, allowing all manner of crimes to happen under their noses. The smartest doesnt make the wisest. I've a graphics calculator which couldn't change its own batteries to prove that...saying that what is needed is a hybrid of the occupy and the tea party movements. Which should include the best of both and drop the worst. The established ruling elites have found a way to divide and conquer the American people and are you gonna see that before the day?

[sandinista]

My bad, I forgot the stupids.

stupids tend to forget

If you can't read I can't help.

...so you don't know either. figures...see above.

The average IQ is 100.

There's something you can shoot for, good luck.

[Seth]

This was what we were all afraid of.

The black bloc is committing simple vandalism in Oakland, and the entire Occupy movement is being tarred with it, and the Occupy council there can't get agreement to eject the wreckers.

These people are assholes; they're fucking things up, like they always do. Occupy needs to come down on the side of nonviolence, or the cause will be lost. This isn't about your mommy or your daddy and how mean they were to you. Violence can fuck off.

Read about it. Write about it. Spread the word. No wreckers.

It's "cause" was lost before anybody walked out their front door from "occupying" their mommy's basement. It was lost because they are mindless Marxist dupes and useful idiots, and now the hard-line Marxists are doing what Marxists always try to do: foment violent revolutionary overthrow of the government.

Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans aren't going to put up with that shit for long.

[Seth]

If so, then predatory individuals taking advantage of a disorganised community, rather than a moral indightement of the protestors. Perhaps an indightement of their lack of common sense, though...

I would agree that the rapists are likely just a few of the individuals in the movement, who may not be characteristic of the rest of the movement ... kind of like the people at Tea Party protests who can't spell their signs.

All these 'paradise on earth' and 'true harmony' communities fail because they ignore the human condition and the need for a central authority when things go wrong. Then when they do and these folk wake up they often pick the nicest guy in the crowd who turns out to be the sociopathic manipulator leading them to cult suicide, fiscal or carnal corruption...

...whose name was Karl Marx.

[Seth]

That's one of the huge difference between the Tea Party Movement and the Occupy Movement...the Occupy Movement has worldwide support.

Yeah, there's a lot of Marxist useful idiots out there, it's true...

[sandinista]

foment violent revolutionary overthrow of the government.

really? That's the aim of the "occupy" movement? Anyone else want to confirm that? I've been trying to figure out the aim of the "protesters" and can't get a straight answer. In fact, this is the first straight answer I've got...but I suspect seth may possibly be full of poop. If he is correct, kudos to the movement, somehow I doubt that very much though.

[maiforpeace]

I've been trying to figure out the aim of the "protesters" and can't get a straight answer.

What is the aim of a protest? To bring attention to a problem, nothing more. So in general the aim of the protesters is to bring attention to the financial crisis and the role Wall Street and our governments had in creating it.

If you read the local news of places where the Occupy movement is happening you might get a better idea of the specific problems being faced there. For example, among the protesters in California, the students are protesting the big budget cuts and tuition hikes, among other things.

[sandinista]

I've been trying to figure out the aim of the "protesters" and can't get a straight answer.

What is the aim of a protest? To bring attention to a problem, nothing more. So in general the aim of the protesters is to bring attention to the financial crisis and the role Wall Street and our governments had in creating it.

If you read the local news of places where the Occupy movement is happening you might get a better idea of the specific problems being faced there. For example, among the protesters in California, the students are protesting the big budget cuts and tuition hikes, among other things.

So, it's simply to let people know there is a "financial crisis" and that "wall street" and the government is responsible? That's it? I'm pretty sure everyone knows that already. Now it's about tuition hikes? Fuck, when I was in university we protested tuition hikes every year...and every year tuition went up. Was a real eye opener to the effectiveness of "peaceful" protests.

[maiforpeace]

So, it's simply to let people know there is a "financial crisis" and that "wall street" and the government is responsible? That's it? I'm pretty sure everyone knows that already.

You think? Then why don't Wall Street and our governments take responsibility?

Now it's about tuition hikes? Fuck, when I was in university we protested tuition hikes every year...and every year tuition went up. Was a real eye opener to the effectiveness of "peaceful" protests.

That's just one of the many problems included in the protest, that's all.

[sandinista]

You think? Then why don't Wall Street and our governments take responsibility?

Are you really asking me that? Why don't they take responsibility? They have no accountability. This is capitalism, wall street IS the government. Protests aren't going to change that.

That's just one of the many problems included in the protest, that's all.

So...the protests are basically many different interest groups protesting together to raise awareness of many different issues? What is this "awareness" supposed to accomplish?

[Schneibster]

Tolja.

Violence is counter-productive. Thanks for fucking things up. /sarcasm

/occupy

[Seth]

foment violent revolutionary overthrow of the government.

really? That's the aim of the "occupy" movement? Anyone else want to confirm that? I've been trying to figure out the aim of the "protesters" and can't get a straight answer. In fact, this is the first straight answer I've got...but I suspect seth may possibly be full of poop. If he is correct, kudos to the movement, somehow I doubt that very much though.

That's not the aim of the useful idiots of the "occupy" movement, that's the aim of the Marxist provocateurs who created the "occupy" movement using useful idiots and propaganda to start the pot roiling. The useful idiots will eventually be discarded and/or killed during the revolutionary overthrow by Marxist hard-liners, as is always the case (or so the Marxists hope...not that they have a chance in hell of succeeding in the US).

It's not a co-opting of the "occupy" movement, this is precisely what the Marxists in charge of setting the whole thing up to begin with planned long ago. If you don't believe it, go read Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and Marx himself. It's all laid out in black and white in the Marxist dialectic.

[sandinista]

Tolja.

Violence is counter-productive. Thanks for fucking things up. /sarcasm

/occupy

"protests" are non-productive.

That's not the aim of the useful idiots of the "occupy" movement, that's the aim of the Marxist provocateurs who created the "occupy" movement

So...wouldn't the "ones" who created the "movement" be the "ones" who create the aim? Not sure what you're talking about.

The useful idiots will eventually be discarded and/or killed during the revolutionary overthrow by Marxist hard-liners

We're going to kill the hippies?

It's not a co-opting of the "occupy" movement, this is precisely what the Marxists in charge of setting the whole thing up to begin with planned long ago.

So, the "occupy" movement IS about the overthrow of capitalism?

[Seth]

Tolja.

Violence is counter-productive. Thanks for fucking things up. /sarcasm

/occupy

"protests" are non-productive.

That's not the aim of the useful idiots of the "occupy" movement, that's the aim of the Marxist provocateurs who created the "occupy" movement

So...wouldn't the "ones" who created the "movement" be the "ones" who create the aim?

Nope, that's why they are useful idiots. They are gullible and easy to delude using carefully-crafted propaganda that conceals the true source and intent of the instigators, which includes specifically, the (Marxist) leadership of SEIU.

Not sure what you're talking about.

The phrase "useful idiot" comes to mind here...

The useful idiots will eventually be discarded and/or killed during the revolutionary overthrow by Marxist hard-liners

We're going to kill the hippies?

Of course. They won't work, so they have to be killed, just like Pol Pot did, eventually, once they've outlived their useful idiocy.

It's not a co-opting of the "occupy" movement, this is precisely what the Marxists in charge of setting the whole thing up to begin with planned long ago.

So, the "occupy" movement IS about the overthrow of capitalism?

No, the underlying Marxist agenda is. The "occupy" movement is a smoke-screen and shill, nothing more.