Black Bloc Tactics Contaminating Occupy Oakland

[Schneibster]

This was what we were all afraid of.

The black bloc is committing simple vandalism in Oakland, and the entire Occupy movement is being tarred with it, and the Occupy council there can't get agreement to eject the wreckers.

These people are assholes; they're fucking things up, like they always do. Occupy needs to come down on the side of nonviolence, or the cause will be lost. This isn't about your mommy or your daddy and how mean they were to you. Violence can fuck off.

Read about it. Write about it. Spread the word. No wreckers.

[Schneibster]

Here's one from AlterNet. These people are being accused of not even being part of the Occupy movement.

"The breaking of windows and vandalizing of businesses which supported the strike was utterly stupid and counterproductive; and watching black bloc-ers run from the cops and not protect the camp their actions had endangered, an action which ultimately left behind many mentally ill people, sick people, street kids, and homeless folks to defend themselves against the police onslaught was disturbing and disgusting in ways I can’t even articulate."

Tai Moses, a longtime resident of Oakland (and a former managing editor of AlterNet), is as sympathetic to the goals of the Occupy movement – holding banks accountable, addressing spiraling inequality and the pernicious influence of money in our political system – as anyone. But in an email exchange, she expressed sentiments that are becoming increasingly common in Oakland. “For people like me,” she wrote, “who live in Oakland, who have invested in our struggling downtown, who are heartbroken and furious when people masquerading as 'protesters' vandalize our city, break windows, and hurl insults and provocations at police, it is the issue. The people doing these things are the same people who descended on Oakland during the Oscar Grant demonstrations. They didn't care about Oscar Grant and they don't care about Occupy Oakland -- they just want to destroy property and set cop cars on fire. They want violence. And they end up front and center on the news as the face of the demonstrations, when in fact their goals have nothing to do with the goals of the occupation.”

[maiforpeace]

Another problem with Occupy Oakland is where they put the encampment. It's right next to one of the more crime riddled parts of Oakland, so now any crime that would have naturally happened there anyway is being attributed to Occupy Oakland.

[Schneibster]

The propaganda war must be fought.

[JimC]

We have a certain number of these types in Oz, who are purely at demos for the violent buzz. Selfish arseholes, really...

[FBM]

Yup. http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/ ... y|home|top

[maiforpeace]

That's one of the huge difference between the Tea Party Movement and the Occupy Movement...the Occupy Movement has worldwide support.

[Warren Dew]

There's another huge difference ... the occupation movement seems to be rife with rapes and other crime:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 72367.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/female- ... n-custody/

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-news-raped ... 3122.story

http://downtownmagazinenyc.com/2011/11/ ... 9s-future/

[Schneibster]

What's "rife with?" Do you have criminal statistics for those people when they're not protesting to compare with? Because if not, you're lying again.

[sandinista]

This was what we were all afraid of.

Not "all"

Occupy needs to come down on the side of nonviolence, or the cause will be lost.

And what is that? The "cause"?

This isn't about your mommy or your daddy and how mean they were to you.

That makes no sense.

Violence can fuck off.

[maiforpeace]

There's another huge difference ... the occupation movement seems to be rife with rapes and other crime:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/0 ... 72367.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/female- ... n-custody/

http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-news-raped ... 3122.story

http://downtownmagazinenyc.com/2011/11/ ... 9s-future/

You're kidding me Warren...you are saying 'the movement' is rife with rape and crime? Do you actually believe that?

What do you think happens at night in major cities? Because that's what the occupiers are doing...camping in the middle of a city, at night. How safe do you think that is?

The Oakland encampment is located right next to one of the more crime riddled parts of Oakland. Crime that would have naturally occurred there regardless of the camping protesters is now being blamed on the occupy movement simply due to the proximity.

[Atheist-Lite]

The true side of the Occupy movement in all it's ugly truth comes to light. Lift up the corner of a tent and you find there utter depravity. What do they stand against? Greed and gratuitess excess but what do they stand for except the same? It's easy to be virtuous for a few days but a few weeks and the truth is becoming clear. These people do not represent, can never represent, will never represent the progressive values we so clearly need in this difficult time before the coming storm of austerity.

[Warren Dew]

What do you think happens at night in major cities? Because that's what the occupiers are doing...camping in the middle of a city, at night. How safe do you think that is?

The perpetrators in all these cases appear to be among the protestors, not just random criminals passing by.

[Schneibster]

This was what we were all afraid of.

Not "all"

My bad, I forgot the stupids.

Occupy needs to come down on the side of nonviolence, or the cause will be lost.

And what is that? The "cause"?

If you can't read I can't help.

This isn't about your mommy or your daddy and how mean they were to you.

That makes no sense.

Violence can fuck off.

The average IQ is 100.

[JimC]

What do you think happens at night in major cities? Because that's what the occupiers are doing...camping in the middle of a city, at night. How safe do you think that is?

The perpetrators in all these cases appear to be among the protestors, not just random criminals passing by.

If so, then predatory individuals taking advantage of a disorganised community, rather than a moral indightement of the protestors. Perhaps an indightement of their lack of common sense, though...