Probably the best way to reuse irradiated material would be simply to extend the lifetimes of existing plants as much as possible.Svartalf wrote:Of course, it might be interesting to reuse already irradiated material from old stations into the building of new ones... might save on costs, and delay having to find a resting home for those tons of stuff for 30 or 50 years.
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So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?
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Glow in the dark amusement parks for real thrillseekers?Gawdzilla wrote:So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?

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We'd all look like tree frogs.JimC wrote:Glow in the dark amusement parks for real thrillseekers?Gawdzilla wrote:So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?

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Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.Warren Dew wrote:Probably the best way to reuse irradiated material would be simply to extend the lifetimes of existing plants as much as possible.Svartalf wrote:Of course, it might be interesting to reuse already irradiated material from old stations into the building of new ones... might save on costs, and delay having to find a resting home for those tons of stuff for 30 or 50 years.
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Because of their comparably low running costs, they would continue at least through their designed lifetime, unless the fusion breakthrough would be astonishing enough to provide really cheap fusion power.Gawdzilla wrote:So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?
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Yes, and in addition older designs are inherently less safe (as we saw in Fukushima). Many countries lack good programs for adding novel safety practices to old plants.Schneibster wrote:Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.Warren Dew wrote:Probably the best way to reuse irradiated material would be simply to extend the lifetimes of existing plants as much as possible.Svartalf wrote:Of course, it might be interesting to reuse already irradiated material from old stations into the building of new ones... might save on costs, and delay having to find a resting home for those tons of stuff for 30 or 50 years.
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Not to mention conservative fiscal policies make it seem attractive to avoid looking at it. As do greedy ones. Not that they aren't generally one and the same.
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So? Irradiation doesn't significantly change the chemical composition of anything.Schneibster wrote:Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.
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Same thing that happened to coal plants when nuclear plants became practical?Gawdzilla wrote:So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?
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Have you ever heard of neutrons? Duh.Warren Dew wrote:So? Irradiation doesn't significantly change the chemical composition of anything.Schneibster wrote:Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.
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Source.it is found that although mechanical properties are substantially degraded, several Ti alloys may retain acceptable properties to low or moderate doses.
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Hopefully the fission plants will make them obsolete. Fusion plants didn't. I would love to stop seeing coal trains with 140+ box cars rumble past our house. It's the majority of rail traffic around here, heading for the St. Louis power plant.Warren Dew wrote:Same thing that happened to coal plants when nuclear plants became practical?Gawdzilla wrote:So, if there's a breakthrough in fusion and it becomes practical, what happens to the fission plants?
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Add a neutron to something and you get a different isotope of the same element. There's no chemical change.Schneibster wrote:Have you ever heard of neutrons?Warren Dew wrote:So? Irradiation doesn't significantly change the chemical composition of anything.Schneibster wrote:Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.
Which has zilch to do with chemistry. Maybe you need to look up "chemistry"?Schneibster wrote:Source.it is found that although mechanical properties are substantially degraded, several Ti alloys may retain acceptable properties to low or moderate doses.
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Did you accidentally exchange "fission" and "fusion"? Fission plants have been around for half a century, and coal plants are still around. I doubt that fusion plants would have any different an effect.Gawdzilla wrote:Hopefully the fission plants will make them obsolete. Fusion plants didn't. I would love to stop seeing coal trains with 140+ box cars rumble past our house. It's the majority of rail traffic around here, heading for the St. Louis power plant.
Can't shut down the coal plants, it would put the poor unionized coal miners at high risk of black lung out of work!
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After the radionuclide you've just created decays. Which happens in days to weeks for most radionuclides.Warren Dew wrote:Add a neutron to something and you get a different isotope of the same element. There's no chemical change.Schneibster wrote:Have you ever heard of neutrons?Warren Dew wrote:So? Irradiation doesn't significantly change the chemical composition of anything.Schneibster wrote:Changing the chemical composition of metal weakens it.
Duh.
Are you serious? Did you just say the Oak Ridge National Laboratory doesn't know any chemistry?Warren Dew wrote:Which has zilch to do with chemistry. Maybe you need to look up "chemistry"?Schneibster wrote:Source.it is found that although mechanical properties are substantially degraded, several Ti alloys may retain acceptable properties to low or moderate doses.
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