I too wonder what that actually means. I can't see the US EVER leaving the middle east. I've heard that obama has said the US is leaving Iraq. Is that true? The US is pulling all US and contract forces out of Iraq? What are they doing with the military bases? Dismantling? Handing over to Iraqi's? Does this mean zero US and affiliated personal in Iraq soon? I'll believe that when I see it, hope it's true though.rachelbean wrote: andrewclunn wrote:- Wants out of the Middle East.
That's pretty vague. I imagine he also "supports our troops".
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He was always opposed to Iraq, was against getting involved in Libya, and thinks we should have left Afghanistan after we toppled the Taliban.
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Also he has agreed with Ron Paul on the needless expense of having so many foreign military bases around the world.
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"libertarians" still exist? Really?rachelbean wrote:He sounds like a pretty typical social liberal/fiscal conservative... or as they are otherwise known: libertarian.

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- He wants a market-based healthcare system.
I don't. We've been trying this for fifty years and it's been failing.
- Support tort reform.
"Tort reform" is code for eliminating the right to sue. More deregulation. It worked so well with the banks he wants to do it with medicine.
- Wants out of the Middle East.
There is no one else Israel is going to accept as an honest broker. This is a recipe for nuclear war.
- Wants to raise the minimum age for retirement to make Social Security solvent.
Instead of raising taxes on the rich, which the majority of the rich approve of according to recent polls.
- Opposed the bank bailouts.
Knows no economics. Fail.
The primary problem with big-L Libertarians is that they don't understand economics. We had three of those in the last five Presidents and every one has fucked up the economy and caused a recession. The last one wasn't satisfied with that, he caused the biggest recession since the Great Depression; they're calling it the Great Recession right now. No more people who don't understand economics.
Corporations and the rich get more out of the US than poor people and the employees of corporations. They therefore should be putting more in. From those to whom much is given, much is expected.
I have real reasons for the things I believe; I don't like propaganda much and tend to react violently to it. I change opinions when presented with evidence.
This guy is the best Libertarian I've ever seen, but that's still not very good. Sorry.
I don't. We've been trying this for fifty years and it's been failing.
- Support tort reform.
"Tort reform" is code for eliminating the right to sue. More deregulation. It worked so well with the banks he wants to do it with medicine.
- Wants out of the Middle East.
There is no one else Israel is going to accept as an honest broker. This is a recipe for nuclear war.
- Wants to raise the minimum age for retirement to make Social Security solvent.
Instead of raising taxes on the rich, which the majority of the rich approve of according to recent polls.
- Opposed the bank bailouts.
Knows no economics. Fail.
The primary problem with big-L Libertarians is that they don't understand economics. We had three of those in the last five Presidents and every one has fucked up the economy and caused a recession. The last one wasn't satisfied with that, he caused the biggest recession since the Great Depression; they're calling it the Great Recession right now. No more people who don't understand economics.
Corporations and the rich get more out of the US than poor people and the employees of corporations. They therefore should be putting more in. From those to whom much is given, much is expected.
I have real reasons for the things I believe; I don't like propaganda much and tend to react violently to it. I change opinions when presented with evidence.
This guy is the best Libertarian I've ever seen, but that's still not very good. Sorry.
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I get that you disagree, but perhaps the accusations of ignorance against those you disagree with are not needed. Doesn't tend to lead to open respectful conversation 

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When people tell me that telling the truth is "disrespectful" it bothers me.
I don't say it if I don't know where to look for proof of it. I hate propaganda and avoid spreading it wherever possible; I also go out of my way to stomp it where the opportunity presents itself, and just as much on the left as the right (though the opportunities are fewer on the left just lately). If you can show that what I say is wrong with facts, rather than hyperbole and emotional arguments and logical fallacy-laden rhetoric, then I will change my opinion. But I've done a lot of research and it's unlikely. You're welcome to try.
I don't say it if I don't know where to look for proof of it. I hate propaganda and avoid spreading it wherever possible; I also go out of my way to stomp it where the opportunity presents itself, and just as much on the left as the right (though the opportunities are fewer on the left just lately). If you can show that what I say is wrong with facts, rather than hyperbole and emotional arguments and logical fallacy-laden rhetoric, then I will change my opinion. But I've done a lot of research and it's unlikely. You're welcome to try.
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Yeah, your posts here make me think that it wouldn't be very productive. Maybe some other time though when the discussion is more focused on a single issue.
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Were you not championing the effectiveness of voting in the two party/same ideology system in the US? Sounds like you have fallen for what you purport to "hate".Schneibster wrote:When people tell me that telling the truth is "disrespectful" it bothers me.
I don't say it if I don't know where to look for proof of it. I hate propaganda and avoid spreading it wherever possible; I also go out of my way to stomp it where the opportunity presents itself, and just as much on the left as the right (though the opportunities are fewer on the left just lately). If you can show that what I say is wrong with facts, rather than hyperbole and emotional arguments and logical fallacy-laden rhetoric, then I will change my opinion. But I've done a lot of research and it's unlikely. You're welcome to try.
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I have to point out that you're implying that you don't have facts that will stand up to scrutiny. Inadvertently, for sure. But that is the implication.andrewclunn wrote:Yeah, your posts here make me think that it wouldn't be very productive. Maybe some other time though when the discussion is more focused on a single issue.
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Nope.sandinista wrote:Were you not championing the effectiveness of voting in the two party/same ideology system in the US?Schneibster wrote:When people tell me that telling the truth is "disrespectful" it bothers me.
I don't say it if I don't know where to look for proof of it. I hate propaganda and avoid spreading it wherever possible; I also go out of my way to stomp it where the opportunity presents itself, and just as much on the left as the right (though the opportunities are fewer on the left just lately). If you can show that what I say is wrong with facts, rather than hyperbole and emotional arguments and logical fallacy-laden rhetoric, then I will change my opinion. But I've done a lot of research and it's unlikely. You're welcome to try.
Typically fuzzy thinking.
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See, here's how Republicans think it's correct to address their own constituents when they ask inconvenient questions:
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/1 ... ank-lobby/
With video of this asshole yelling insults at and in front of his constituents and threatening to throw them out of the meeting.
The latest is the video's gone viral and he's trying the twinkie defense.
Teagagger, of course.
Oh, and did I mention he owes a hundred grand in child support, which he's now being sued for by his ex-wife because he lied and gave it all to his campaign and she found out?
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/1 ... ank-lobby/
With video of this asshole yelling insults at and in front of his constituents and threatening to throw them out of the meeting.
The latest is the video's gone viral and he's trying the twinkie defense.
Teagagger, of course.
Oh, and did I mention he owes a hundred grand in child support, which he's now being sued for by his ex-wife because he lied and gave it all to his campaign and she found out?
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Re: Is there a Republican candidate you like?
Schneibster, come on. Citing another Republican (who isn't running for the Presidency) as an argument against all the different candidates? Or are you simply attempting to slander the party? Discussing issues is the place for valid discussion. Discussing party lines and loyalty to them is appealing to an in-group mentality.
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Obama needs the troops elsewhere to support the other wars he's getting us into.sandinista wrote:I too wonder what that actually means. I can't see the US EVER leaving the middle east. I've heard that obama has said the US is leaving Iraq. Is that true? The US is pulling all US and contract forces out of Iraq? What are they doing with the military bases? Dismantling? Handing over to Iraqi's? Does this mean zero US and affiliated personal in Iraq soon? I'll believe that when I see it, hope it's true though.
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And again somebody is voting intentionally to cancel out my vote by evening it out 

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Nope, but nice try at distracting from the argument with a shiny object.andrewclunn wrote:Schneibster, come on. Citing another Republican (who isn't running for the Presidency) as an argument against all the different candidates?
It's him in the video. Doesn't look like slander to me. Would you like to see the other fifteen articles about Republicans having fits in, charging an attendance fee for, or ejecting and/or brutalizing old people who ask inconvenient questions in, their town halls over this past summer? I assure you I can bring them on a half hour's notice.andrewclunn wrote:Or are you simply attempting to slander the party?
It's not slander. It's the truth. And calling it slander is propaganda.
It's not a party line. It's what Republican Teagagger Party politicians are doing, and I challenge you to find similar events at Democratic town hall meetings. In fact, the last time someone did something disruptive at one of those it was a teagagger calling a US Senate candidate, a professor of law at Harvard, a "whore." He left after the rest of the town hall called him a bigot; no one was calling the old man who got pushed down and handcuffed by security thugs who are currently being sued anything, except the piece of shit running the meeting.andrewclunn wrote:Discussing issues is the place for valid discussion. Discussing party lines and loyalty to them is appealing to an in-group mentality.
Get real. There's a difference. And it's pretty nasty on the right in the US today. My parents are lifelong Democrats; my father voted for Roosevelt (my mother was too young by a year). I rebelled into Libertarianism when I was in my rebelling stage, and had a pretty long hard look at it. I abandoned it in disgust when the propaganda became obvious.
Don't bring a bunch of shit like this to a conversation and then accuse me of propagandizing. Any adult can check these things in a minute on google. Validation of sources requires skill, but anyone can find the sources in the first place that I get my information from, and anyone can debunk it if it's debunkable. No one does; if they did, I'd change my opinion. Just that simple.
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