Are the Republican candidates really this scarily dumb?

[Coito ergo sum]

To be honest, it doesn't really matter which way Americans vote these days.

Vote Republican, and the Republicans do whatever they want.
Vote Democrat, and the Democrats do whatever the Republicans want.

To be honest, that's a propaganda trick called "they're just as bad," and it's also a logical fallacy.

No, they're not just as bad, not when one is trying to make jobs and they other is trying to destroy them in order to lynch a black man who had the temerity to get elected and to punish the country for voting for him.

Surely if the Democrats hadn't spent the first half of Obama's term bending over backwards to kiss Republican arse,

I'm not seeing that. For 09 and 10, Obama had Democrats controlling the House and Senate and basically said fuck off to the Republicans, shutting them out of health care and energy policy meetings, and whatnot. They didn't start "kissing arse" until the midterm defeat. The problem before that defeat was not the Republicans, but recalcitrant conservative Democrats, who did not support the President's proposals completely. It's now an Administration talking point to say that the reason they didn't succeed in everything they wanted to do was because they were trying, even though they didn't have to, to be reasonable and negotiate with the Republicans, who turned out to be scurrilous scallywags who just wanted to scuttle everything.

they could have pushed through their economic reforms when they had the chance. The Republicans couln't have done anything about it because they didn't control the House of Representatives back then.

What other economic reforms? Many of the Administrations proposals passed.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

[Jason]

I will freely admit that this is all anecdotal - I only wish that more people knew and really understood that relatively high or low IQ in itself is no guarantee of anything. Indicator / possibility - yes, but no guarantee.

Exacery. I mean look at me. I scored 139 on the last IQ test I had. Granted that was 9 years, probably a few pounds of pot and a lot of alcohol ago.

[FBM]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

OK, you have a single personal anecdote about meeting a religious Democrat and didn't get laid. Therefore, vote Republican? Nigga, please.

[Feck]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

It may seem that way but Republicans don't have a monopoly on Stupid : All Republicans are stupid but not all stupids are Republicans

[Jason]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

CES struck out? With his charm and powers of persuasion? No wai.

[Woodbutcher]

I believe in IQ tests. I scored a 132. Really!

[Coito ergo sum]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

OK, you have a single personal anecdote about meeting a religious Democrat and didn't get laid. Therefore, vote Republican? Nigga, please.

That wasn't the conclusion I drew or implied.

Vote for the party or candidate that best represents your views.

What I was saying was that, if you look at the numbers, most Democrats believe in gods and are all Christiany and stuff, and they really aren't pro atheist or god-scoffers. I cited that one anecdotal example as merely illustrative of that point.

The fact is, a Democrat candidate who said "I'm an atheist" would not get the Democratic nomination for president, not at this time in our history.

[Jason]

Vote for the party or candidate that best represents your views.

I view candidates I find attractive as nekkid and having secks with me. I will therefore vote for such candidates.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's so sad Rum. Imagine, the leader of the Republican field of nominees is a Mormon?!!?. As Bill Maher said, "Tom Cruise isn't stupid enough to become a Mormon, and Glenn Beck is."

The part that many of us forget in our openly atheist community is that most people aren't atheists or religious scoffers.

Even those who don't go for mainline religions still say they believe in god, and that includes the majority of Democrats.

I remember being quite surprised at meaning a female Democrat a few years back - about 4 years ago (shortly before I started in with She Who Must Be Obeyed) actually. And, I met her through a mutual friend. We gots to talking a little bit of politics and I was being a little bit careful about what I said. I didn't want to get into a political debate or argument and I wasn't sure where this new, attractive girl stood on things. When I learned she was a Democrat, I assumed that she would lean liberal, and as the conversation turned toward religion, I felt comfortable admitting that I was an atheist. I figured that if she wasn't atheist or agnostic, she would be "spiritual but not religious" and have a live-and-let-live idea about it. Oh, no. This staunch Democrat was shocked at meeting an atheist - that blew any chance I had with her, as she couldn't stop inquiring about how it could be that did not believe in god, and the whole thing about believing in nothing and having no morals and all that. I was surprised, as I figured Democrats would likely be a bit more religiously flexible.

CES struck out? With his charm and powers of persuasion? No wai.

I know it's hard to believe, but I was quite popular with the ladies until I committed myself to She Who Must Be Obeyed (and if you saw her, you'd say "holy shit dude, you're either one of the 1%, or you're hung like a Clydesdale...."). I don't know what it is. I don't see it either. If I was a woman, I'd have nothing to do with me. (But, then again, if I was a woman, I'd be a lesbian)

[Coito ergo sum]

Vote for the party or candidate that best represents your views.

I view candidates I find attractive as nekkid and having secks with me. I will therefore vote for such candidates.

If that's the standard, I'd give Michelle Bachmann my vote...good and hard....

[Schneibster]

Have we reached the point where candidates will have to pretend to be dumb- ass fundie knuckle- draggers to secure votes by Republicans ?

Long ago.

[Drewish]

Have we reached the point where candidates will have to pretend to be dumb- ass fundie knuckle- draggers to secure votes by Republicans ?

Long ago.

It's sad but true. The one sane Republican candidate (Gary Johnson) has been excluded from the polls that are then the basis for determining whether someone gets into the debates, even though when he is polled he outperforms Huntsman consistently.

[Tero]

[tattuchu]

The Republicans were great once too. Lincoln was one after all. Very sad.

Somewhere along the line there was a pole reversal. I don't know exactly when or how it happened.