China's Moral Crisis Deepens?

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China's Moral Crisis Deepens?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:30 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57581.html

Nurse put live baby boy in bag and told parents it was a dead little girl

In the latest scandal to strike China's creaking health system, officials are investigating a hospital for wrongly diagnosing a still birth and disposing of a live baby boy in a plastic bag, while telling the mother the infant was a girl in an effort to console her.

The bungled birth was in the Nanhai district of Foshan, the city in Guangdong province where a toddler died last month after being run over twice and ignored by passers-by, prompting a national crisis of conscience that China had lost its humanity.

Liu Dongmei, 23 and eight months pregnant, was brought to the hospital last month with internal bleeding and stomach cramps. After an emergency procedure, the baby was born but was not breathing and had purple skin. A nurse told the father, Wang Haizhang, that the infant was dead.

The child was put into a yellow plastic bag and the nurse disposed of the bag without reporting to a doctor, the Foshan health bureau told the Shanghai Daily newspaper. Half an hour later, family members demanded to see the body. "I opened the plastic bag and saw the baby's hands and feet moving, the stomach was going up and down and air bubbles were coming out of his mouth," Ms Liu's sister-in-law told the Foshan News. The baby was taken to intensive care and is doing well.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:40 pm

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:43 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:It's your fault if you're stillborn.
China is a template of hyper-capitalism for the whole world. It can do no wrong. :coffee:
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Crumple wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:It's your fault if you're stillborn.
China is a template of hyper-capitalism for the whole world. It can do no wrong. :coffee:
The thing about a spike is that it has two slopes.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:45 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Crumple wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:It's your fault if you're stillborn.
China is a template of hyper-capitalism for the whole world. It can do no wrong. :coffee:
The thing about a spike is that it has two slopes.
Climbing up stairs is a slow business compared with falling down them. :smoke:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:47 pm

Crumple wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Crumple wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:It's your fault if you're stillborn.
China is a template of hyper-capitalism for the whole world. It can do no wrong. :coffee:
The thing about a spike is that it has two slopes.
Climbing up stairs is a slow business compared with falling down them. :smoke:
Yep. Take the Japan model and extend it to China.
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Post by Gawd » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:48 am

Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda. Americans throw babies in the trash or the street all the time.

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Post by Robert_S » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:59 am

Gawd wrote:Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda.
Doesn't the US occasionally have babies tossed into dumpsters?

Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:32 am

Robert_S wrote:
Gawd wrote:Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda.
Doesn't the US occasionally have babies tossed into dumpsters?

Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
That's why I put a question mark. The media and the politicians will exploit this and the appearance will be a deepening of the morale decline - could this be part of a strategy by the communist party with the confidence in their housing bubble beginning to falter? then the economic decline and the leadership have a excuse to bring punitive martial law?
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Re: China's Moral Crisis Deepens?

Post by Warren Dew » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:48 am

Robert_S wrote:Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
Well, a nation of over a billion anyway. If there were a trillion people, we'd be in serious trouble.

But yes, your basic point is sound here; single examples say almost nothing in this kind of context.

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Post by Gawd » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:48 am

Crumple wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Gawd wrote:Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda.
Doesn't the US occasionally have babies tossed into dumpsters?

Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
That's why I put a question mark. The media and the politicians will exploit this and the appearance will be a deepening of the morale decline - could this be part of a strategy by the communist party with the confidence in their housing bubble beginning to falter? then the economic decline and the leadership have a excuse to bring punitive martial law?
Like in the USA where martial law has been defacto for years?

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Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:10 am

Gawd wrote:
Crumple wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Gawd wrote:Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda.
Doesn't the US occasionally have babies tossed into dumpsters?

Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
That's why I put a question mark. The media and the politicians will exploit this and the appearance will be a deepening of the morale decline - could this be part of a strategy by the communist party with the confidence in their housing bubble beginning to falter? then the economic decline and the leadership have a excuse to bring punitive martial law?
Like in the USA where martial law has been defacto for years?
When the troops come home they'll want something to do and their accustomed respect. :smoke:
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Post by Gawd » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:10 am

Crumple wrote:
Gawd wrote:
Crumple wrote:
Robert_S wrote:
Gawd wrote:Don't see anything wrong here except Western propaganda.
Doesn't the US occasionally have babies tossed into dumpsters?

Besides, how the heel do you take a single incident in a nation of over a trillion and draw general conclusions about it. It's a one in a trillion thing we're looking at.
That's why I put a question mark. The media and the politicians will exploit this and the appearance will be a deepening of the morale decline - could this be part of a strategy by the communist party with the confidence in their housing bubble beginning to falter? then the economic decline and the leadership have a excuse to bring punitive martial law?
Like in the USA where martial law has been defacto for years?
When the troops come home they'll want something to do and their accustomed respect. :smoke:
There won't be a shortage of work for American killers. Israel has been drumming the "murder Iranians" horn especially loudly of late so Obama will most likely start another war.

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Re: China's Moral Crisis Deepens?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:20 am

They won't want Iran to get up if they hit it. They'll bomb it into the stoneage worse than Iraq. They might even use nukes to stamp their footprint on these changing times? They've done it before....you realise? :smoke:
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Post by Gawd » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:39 am

I won't object to a pre-emptive strike by the Iranians on American and Israeli targets. The Iranians have done nothing wrong while the Americans and Israelis have been waging non-stop wars of conquest for decades.

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