Yup.sandinista wrote:That is truly ridiculous. Arrested? What a fucking load of shit.
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Anyone want to post me one? I will take a picture of it poking out of my browneye
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I really fucking wish I had one to post.Azathoth wrote:Anyone want to post me one? I will take a picture of it poking out of my browneye
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That's what happens when you have hate speech laws.Psychoserenity wrote:Yes I suspected it was something to do with the religious situation in Northern Ireland that I don't really understand - but that still doesn't change that they got arrested for posting a picture of something purely symbolic on facebook.Rum wrote:Its not an offense per se. Towards the end of the article the underlying issue comes out. They appear to have been catholics trying to incite hatred as the wars which remembrance day are about are viewed as 'English' ones by many republicans/catholics
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You know what? Fucking morons use crimethink network filled with grasses and whiners to advertise fucking their moronity get prison for it, boo hoo. I'm appalled about this as a free speech issue, but happy that such witless morons hadn't realised that doing this on facebook was going to get them investigated, that's what they should be punished for. They would have been less likely to have been caught if they buggered a suicide bomber to death on top of the Queen while she was opening the new "24 hour vigilance" unit of Scotland Yard.
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They aren't hard to make: wide red ribbon gathered along one edge, affixed to floral wire with floral tape and a few yellow beads for the center.Azathoth wrote:Anyone want to post me one? I will take a picture of it poking out of my browneye
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The poppy is simply a symbol of remembrance and held sacred to honour the servicemen and women who died in the two world wars. The poppy is also the symbol of a movement which provides support for all ex-servicemen and women and their families. The war had a devastating effect on us British owing to the German bombing raids.
If two morons want to burn a poppy that's fine but it's the motive which matters; if the motive was to cause distress to people then it could be seen as incitement and particularly in an area known for sectarian problems.
I put it to those who are not bothered by this that if a monument in the US, which recognised the loss of life on 9/11, was desecrated... how would would feel about that? After all, it's just a monument; an assembly of carbon atoms manipulated into a recognisable shape.
What's the harm eh?
If two morons want to burn a poppy that's fine but it's the motive which matters; if the motive was to cause distress to people then it could be seen as incitement and particularly in an area known for sectarian problems.
I put it to those who are not bothered by this that if a monument in the US, which recognised the loss of life on 9/11, was desecrated... how would would feel about that? After all, it's just a monument; an assembly of carbon atoms manipulated into a recognisable shape.
What's the harm eh?
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In canaduh they have been linking the poppy to the Afghan war as well (kind of ironic), that is the primary reason I'm not bothered with them being burned.vjohn82 wrote:The poppy is simply a symbol of remembrance and held sacred to honour the servicemen and women who died in the two world wars.
Wouldn't be bothered in the least.vjohn82 wrote:I put it to those who are not bothered by this that if a monument in the US, which recognised the loss of life on 9/11, was desecrated... how would would feel about that?
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I can't imagine wanting to jail or fine them. Publishing their pictures and names and subjecting them to scorn? Yes. Perfect.vjohn82 wrote:The poppy is simply a symbol of remembrance and held sacred to honour the servicemen and women who died in the two world wars. The poppy is also the symbol of a movement which provides support for all ex-servicemen and women and their families. The war had a devastating effect on us British owing to the German bombing raids.
If two morons want to burn a poppy that's fine but it's the motive which matters; if the motive was to cause distress to people then it could be seen as incitement and particularly in an area known for sectarian problems.
I put it to those who are not bothered by this that if a monument in the US, which recognised the loss of life on 9/11, was desecrated... how would would feel about that? After all, it's just a monument; an assembly of carbon atoms manipulated into a recognisable shape.
What's the harm eh?
OTOH nobody's bombed any restaurants full of people who happened to be the same religion but were otherwise unrelated and called it "revenge" here much, either. So I can't say I'd call it the same thing, so to speak.
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A symbol is a symbol, not the thing it's supposed to represent. i cannot imagine wanting to shoot a real Iranian or Pakistani human being because they burned a US flag.
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Nope. Some people in the Republican community in Northern Ireland see poppies as associated with the British army, which in their view repressed their people for as long as they can remember, up to the Good Friday Agreement. And they see poppies as supporting British soldiers. So, in burning a poppy, they were making a Republican gesture, which is provocative in the eyes of the Unionist community, and the PSNI no doubt see it as liable to lead to a return to the sort of appalling, mindless violence which scarred the country for a couple of generations, and so they're very careful. The PSNI don't always get it right, but they do their best in what's still a precarious situation.Psychoserenity wrote:Gravestones are private property relating to specific individuals - completely different.Crumple wrote: They desecrated something which was used in the collective grief process. Symbolic, everything is symbolic. What they did attacked a foundation stone of a civilized society ie respect for the dead....gravestones are symbolic, maybe toppling them should be overlooked too?
By the way, for any Americans reading, "Republican" in Northern Ireland isn't the same as it is for you.
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So it's the same justification as the Germans have for getting upset about Nazi stuff and Holocaust denial. I can hang with that. I'm glad we haven't had stuff here in the US where it's as much of an issue to where people might get killed over it. We've got slavery to deal with, of course, and the KKK, that we view kinda the same sorta way if you see what I mean, but there haven't been organized killings in decades and the last non-criminal slavery in the US was a century and a half ago, though civil rights were fought over only fifty years ago, and some people died, too. We've made movies where we pilloried such people. And movies about the capture and punishment of the people who did those killings, too. I dunno if it amounts to the same thing.
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Yep. I don't know if I believe it myself, but I've heard the argument that one reason for having wars like Vietnam (and so I suppose The Falklands and Afghanistan) is to get some of those people away into another country, where they can either channel their aggression into something other than what they'd be doing at home, or they can get killed.Schneibster wrote:So it's the same justification as the Germans have for getting upset about Nazi stuff and Holocaust denial. I can hang with that. I'm glad we haven't had stuff here in the US where it's as much of an issue to where people might get killed over it. We've got slavery to deal with, of course, and the KKK, that we view kinda the same sorta way if you see what I mean, but there haven't been organized killings in decades and the last non-criminal slavery in the US was a century and a half ago, though civil rights were fought over only fifty years ago, and some people died, too. We've made movies where we pilloried such people. And movies about the capture and punishment of the people who did those killings, too. I dunno if it amounts to the same thing.
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No, their angle is to burn themselves up, not flowers.Crumple wrote:Buddhists at it again. Should have known.
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It is ridiculous and inappropriate that they were arrested.
But they were spiteful little arseholes...
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Eh? Ah....what's their Ratz usernames, then?JimC wrote:...But they were spiteful little arseholes...

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