How Many Jobs the Debt Ceiling Extortion Cost

[Schneibster]

370,000 including police that have been being laid off in the months since the Republican Teagagger Party decided to destroy the full faith and credit of the United States.

They also killed jobs by putting off nuclear weapon construction and research site cleanups; the cleanups will now cost more, and be done later, at a time when interest rates are higher, increasing costs yet further, and benefitting their owners with the interest, another sweetheart deal for the rich from the Republican Teagagger Party. To top it all off they drove up government costs and killed more jobs, by killing construction contracts for the construction of new facilities to replace some that are currently leased. Another sweetheart deal for their real estate buddies and another ripoff of the taxpayer, more interest for their rich owners later when it's more expensive, and more negative jobs.

This is what the Republican Teagagger Party does after they run on jobs, jobs, jobs, which was of course a lie, lie, lie. They kill jobs to discredit the scary black man in the White House and punish the American people for voting for a black man for President, and they rip off the taxpayers for another Republican Teagagger Party boondoggle that's supposed to reduce government expenditures but actually increases them to the benefit of their owners.

Read all about it.

[Pensioner]

Those tea baggers are bat shit crazy. I wonder what that lot of loonies would have done if they had been in power in the UK after World War two? The country was bankrupt. we owed millions to America Canada and Australia. Thousands of houses and factories had been destroyed. Our coal mines were unprofitable and under funded same for our water and power supply industries. The labour Party won the 1945 general election and nationalised the essential services. They also started a massive house building program and slum clearances. The cherry on the cake was they formed the NHS.

I wonder what the loonies would have done. I know cut taxes for the rich and leave it to market forces to get us out of the shit.

We paid back plus interest all the money we owed to America Canada and Australia.

[MrJonno]

Don't know why Americans blame a political party when its paranoid seperation of powers.

Its basics politics in any country if the world is if political party X is consitutional given the ability to destroy political party Y who is in government they will do so.
If you want the ability to have a president of one party and elected assemblies of others then this is exactly what is going to happen. Do people seriously think two rival political parties will ever work together for the benefit of the 'country' is naive beyond belief

All the US Federal govermental system seems capable of doing is fighting wars

[Seth]

As if the Center for American Progress, the George Soros-funded arm of the hard left side of Marxist Progressivism is a reliable source.

"Police layoffs"

Well, the first fallacy is the notion that we need more police, and therefore ridding the community of excess police officers is a bad thing. It's not. We need FEWER police and more personal, individual, and community involvement in the exercise of law enforcement, a power which flows FROM the people TO the police as a delegated, but co-equal, power.

Most of the police officers laid off were hired under "federal assistance" programs quite simply ONLY because the feds offered "free" money to hire them in the first place, as a part of a Progressive attempt to federalize local police departments by making them dependent upon federal funding, and therefore subject to federal control.

Thankfully, most communities who hired DARE officers or DUI officers under federal programs recognize this threat and simply eliminate redundant positions for which federal funding has expired. Doing so has almost no impact whatsoever on crime rates because the hires were redundant to begin with and were made not because of a need in the community, but because the "free" federal funds were available and local police chiefs and city councils saw no reason not to slop from the federal trough like everyone else.

Now that the money has dried up, they are doing the prudent thing and are eliminating unnecessary and redundant hires that provide no real improvement in law enforcement, which is generally overstuffed with officers (many of whom are "supervisors" and perform no useful function anyway) who spend their time eating doughnuts and writing speeding tickets because the actual fact is that the national crime rate has been dropping steadily for several decades and we don't need as many police officers in the first place...particularly with the expansion of lawful concealed carry to the vast majority of states, which itself is responsible for a huge part of the drop in violent crime.

Anecdotal sob-stories from Progressives, Marxists and police chiefs aren't persuasive, I'm afraid. Facts, like the dropping crime rate, are.

"Environmental cleanup of nuclear weapons sites"

Another red-herring argument. The number of jobs involved, even according to the whack-jobs at the Center for American Progress, is "6,800" direct and indirect jobs lost, while the cost is "584 million." That's $85,882 per job. Hardly "middle income" jobs support. And this whiny complaint is all the more nauseating given the fact that it's people like the CFAP who have been opposing the Yucca Mountain disposal site that we've spent hundreds of millions developing and which Obama himself cancelled. What's the point in cleaning up nuclear waste sites if there's nowhere to put the waste?

"Eliminating construction jobs"

Another asinine bit of Marxist Progressive propaganda and disinformation.

A somewhat similar situation exists in another area of the budget singled
out for particularly harsh treatment based on the table posted by the House
Appropriations Committee—investment in the offices, laboratories, storage
facilities, and other facilities needed for day-to-day government operations. A portion
of this responsibility belongs to the Public Buildings Service of the General
Services Administration.
At first blush cutting back on the real estate portfolio of the federal government
might seem like a perfectly good place to go for budget savings. But consider this:
Numerous studies over the years by the Government Accountability Office, the
investigative arm of Congress, and the GSA’s own Inspector General indicate
that it costs the government significantly more in most instances to lease rather
than to own property

Um, here's the point, George: We want to STOP GOVERNMENT SPENDING on wasteful, unnecessary and bloated government "offices, laboratories, storage facilities and other facilities need for day-to-day government operations" because we want to ELIMINATE most of those "day-to-day government operations" because they are not, in fact, "needed."

We don't need to build government-owned built-by-union-labor-at-outrageous-cost facilities because we intend to eliminate the programs and fire the personnel who occupy the unneeded and wasteful government positions.

Here's my plan for maintenance and repair of facilities used by Washington bureaucrats and politicians: Shut down ALL air-conditioning and heating systems (saving who knows how many hundreds of millions per year and saving the environment) in government-owned buildings in DC, including the White House, the Capitol and every other place where bureaucrats or politicians do their work.

This single act will save the country uncountable billions in wasteful and unnecessary government spending thanks to Mother Nature alone, because government will only be able to function in DC for about three months of the year before it becomes too uncomfortable to be inside any government building, which will mean government will do less and spend less because fat government bureaucrats can't stand to sweat or freeze.

Conclusion

This is a piece of crap propaganda from the well-known leftist, George Soros-funded Center for American Progress, and it's not even useful to wipe the shit from one's bunghole with.

[Seth]

Don't know why Americans blame a political party when its paranoid seperation of powers.

Its basics politics in any country if the world is if political party X is consitutional given the ability to destroy political party Y who is in government they will do so.
If you want the ability to have a president of one party and elected assemblies of others then this is exactly what is going to happen. Do people seriously think two rival political parties will ever work together for the benefit of the 'country' is naive beyond belief

All the US Federal govermental system seems capable of doing is fighting wars

Idiots frequently fail to understand that our system was very carefully designed by the Founders precisely to prevent one political party from destroying the others by deliberately creating a separation of powers that prevents any one branch of government from instituting tyranny on its own and one which is ultimately responsive and responsible to the People, not tyrants and despots.

Our system is designed to devolve the vast majority of day-to-day governmental operations to state and local governments, to keep governance close to the people it affects and away from the hands of centralized power-mongers far away. That's why the Constitution is one of expressly and precisely LIMITED powers granted to the federal government, with the bulk being reserved to the states, or to the People themselves.

Marxist dupes and the useful idiots of Socialism are not expected to have the capacity to understand such concepts, simple as they are, however.

That this system has been usurped and damaged by Progressives doesn't impeach the utility of the original intent, it merely militates for eliminating those who would twist our founding documents beyond all reason in their quest to destroy it an institute tyranny and despotism of the left.

[Schneibster]

Don't know why Americans blame a political party when its paranoid seperation of powers.

Because if you don't separate the powers that party that's doing the damage, the ones who get votes from the stupids by lying to them, will get in charge and you'll never be able to get them out without rounding them up and shooting them, with the attendant mess.

We did that already. Lots of times. That's why we separated the powers.

Its basics politics in any country if the world is if political party X is consitutional given the ability to destroy political party Y who is in government they will do so.
If you want the ability to have a president of one party and elected assemblies of others then this is exactly what is going to happen. Do people seriously think two rival political parties will ever work together for the benefit of the 'country' is naive beyond belief

Oh, they will. You have to kick the shit out of them, but they will. And the proof of it is, one of them is willing to.

All the US Federal govermental system seems capable of doing is fighting wars

It might seem that way if you don't live here.

[MrJonno]

Oh, they will. You have to kick the shit out of them, but they will. And the proof of it is, one of them is willing to

Who will kick the shit out of them, in a 2 party system is two parties cripple the working of government one of them is still going to get elected.

Sorry I prefer the elect government they do whatever they want to do and if we don't like them after 5 years you sack them. A non-functioning government is way worse than bad government

[Seth]

Oh, they will. You have to kick the shit out of them, but they will. And the proof of it is, one of them is willing to

Who will kick the shit out of them, in a 2 party system is two parties cripple the working of government one of them is still going to get elected.

Sorry I prefer the elect government they do whatever they want to do and if we don't like them after 5 years you sack them. A non-functioning government is way worse than bad government

I doubt the Jews at Auschwitz or any other Nazi labor camp would agree with you. Or the people sent to the Gulags by Stalin. Or the one's sent to the killing fields of Cambodia by Pol Pot. Or the ones shot in the back of the head by Mao's thugs.

You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

[Svartalf]

Seth, if you believe anything touched by soros is even remotely related to the left, you're so far to the right that any post of yours is a godwin.

[Pensioner]

Seth, if you believe anything touched by soros is even remotely related to the left, you're so far to the right that any post of yours is a godwin.

True that.

[MrJonno]

I doubt the Jews at Auschwitz or any other Nazi labor camp would agree with you. Or the people sent to the Gulags by Stalin. Or the one's sent to the killing fields of Cambodia by Pol Pot. Or the ones shot in the back of the head by Mao's thugs.

Serious lack of elections in all those cases not that it matters if 90% if the population want to exterminate the other 10% i the problem isnt governmental system its your people

[Seth]

Seth, if you believe anything touched by soros is even remotely related to the left, you're so far to the right that any post of yours is a godwin.

Soros is a Progressive and a Globalist. He uses Marxists and socialists as useful idiots in his quest to be one of the powers behind global government. And if you think Soros does not openly fund a host of far-left organizations (useful idiots that they are), you're either too stupid to trust with a computer, or you're in deep denial. Anyone with a passing familiarity with a search engine can quickly discover the HUNDREDS of leftist organizations Soros funds and supports through his various shell organizations like the Center for American Progress.

You ought to try it sometime.

[MrJonno]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Sor ... y_theories

He has his own conspiracy theory wiki page wonder if Seth wrote it. Looking at his history he has spent most of his life promoting capitalism often far too much in the UK (with currency speculation)

[Feck]

At a time when the sales in mobile phones were booming vodaphone were excused taxes ,this obviously did not promote an up turn in the economy as vodaphone cut staff and wages . It is hard to see why any government would spend money on tax cuts rather than the welfare system since it has been proved that money spent on welfare generates money moving around the economy but money spent on tax cuts does not as a larger percentage gets saved /invested/ exported . Surely when unemployment is a problem THAT is just the time for the government to be spending money esp on infrastructure as it costs less in real terms than if built in a time of high wages and employment . Thatcher cut taxes ...do we see anything constructive from that period when money was available , sorry we saw the death of industry no investment in anything just a boom for London and the south east and the sale of this country into the hands of avaricious city types with no interest in making anything but a quick buck .

[Svartalf]

Seth, if you believe anything touched by soros is even remotely related to the left, you're so far to the right that any post of yours is a godwin.

Soros is a Progressive and a Globalist. He uses Marxists and socialists as useful idiots in his quest to be one of the powers behind global government. And if you think Soros does not openly fund a host of far-left organizations (useful idiots that they are), you're either too stupid to trust with a computer, or you're in deep denial. Anyone with a passing familiarity with a search engine can quickly discover the HUNDREDS of leftist organizations Soros funds and supports through his various shell organizations like the Center for American Progress.

You ought to try it sometime.

He may be a globalist, he still is a capitalist with the best of them (buffett, Slim, etc), he may use some lefties as patsies, but I can warrant that his own goals, and the results he gets have nothing to do with socialism, and everything to do with screwing the 99% so HE (and possible a few of his friends and colleagues) can get obscenely richer than they already are.

That, and I suspect that the "far left" you mention would still be classified as right leaning here.