Gadaffi was sodomised

[Atheist-Lite]

He may have been innocent. A mere puppet of circumstance. The people who followed the orders and gave the orders are the criminals. Without a court of law and lots of verifiable evidence it may have been the killing of a mere figurehead, allowing the real criminals to escape?

[FBM]

Crimes against humanity arrest warrant

The UN referred the massacres of unarmed civilians to the International Criminal Court.[215] Among the crimes being investigated by the prosecution was whether Gaddafi purchased and authorized the use of Viagra-like drugs among soldiers for the purpose of raping women and instilling fear.[216] His government's heavy-handed approach to quelling the protests was characterized by the International Federation for Human Rights as a strategy of scorched earth. The acts of "indiscriminate killings of civilians" was charged as crimes against humanity, as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.[217]

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants on 27 June 2011 for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam, and his brother-in-law Abdullah al-Senussi, head of state security for charges, concerning crimes against humanity.[1][218][219] According to Matt Steinglass of The Financial Times the charges call for Gaddafi, and his two co-conspirators, to "stand trial for the murder and persecution of demonstrators by Libyan security forces since the uprising based in the country’s east that began in February."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... ation_laws

[Atheist-Lite]

Crimes against humanity arrest warrant

The UN referred the massacres of unarmed civilians to the International Criminal Court.[215] Among the crimes being investigated by the prosecution was whether Gaddafi purchased and authorized the use of Viagra-like drugs among soldiers for the purpose of raping women and instilling fear.[216] His government's heavy-handed approach to quelling the protests was characterized by the International Federation for Human Rights as a strategy of scorched earth. The acts of "indiscriminate killings of civilians" was charged as crimes against humanity, as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.[217]

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants on 27 June 2011 for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam, and his brother-in-law Abdullah al-Senussi, head of state security for charges, concerning crimes against humanity.[1][218][219] According to Matt Steinglass of The Financial Times the charges call for Gaddafi, and his two co-conspirators, to "stand trial for the murder and persecution of demonstrators by Libyan security forces since the uprising based in the country’s east that began in February."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... ation_laws

If it is all true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then he got of quite lightly with a stick up his arse and a few bullet holes.

[Toontown]

After all the shit he'd done, he shoulda sphincter coming.

What did he do exactly? I still haven't heard a good reason. Just a lot of bollocks allegations that have not been proven.

Let it be a lesson to you.

Perhaps you, too, will sieze control of a country and rule it cruelly and incompetently. And then perhaps you, too, will learn The Lesson, as others have learned it, in various ways. When the people you have lorded over suddenly turn on you, hunt you down, sodomize you, shoot you in the head, and put you in a meat locker for viewing purposes, YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

Hint: figure out what that 'something wrong' is, and you will know not to ever do it. If you are too stupid to figure out what that 'something wrong' is, then your best hope lies in the unlikelihood of your ever being able to sieze control of a country and rule it cruelly and incompetently.

[Exi5tentialist]

Crimes against humanity arrest warrant

The UN referred the massacres of unarmed civilians to the International Criminal Court.[215] Among the crimes being investigated by the prosecution was whether Gaddafi purchased and authorized the use of Viagra-like drugs among soldiers for the purpose of raping women and instilling fear.[216] His government's heavy-handed approach to quelling the protests was characterized by the International Federation for Human Rights as a strategy of scorched earth. The acts of "indiscriminate killings of civilians" was charged as crimes against humanity, as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.[217]

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants on 27 June 2011 for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam, and his brother-in-law Abdullah al-Senussi, head of state security for charges, concerning crimes against humanity.[1][218][219] According to Matt Steinglass of The Financial Times the charges call for Gaddafi, and his two co-conspirators, to "stand trial for the murder and persecution of demonstrators by Libyan security forces since the uprising based in the country’s east that began in February."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Ga ... ation_laws

There is no question about it, Gaddafi was innocent of these charges:

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a11

Gaddafi's lynching had profound religious roots. The retributive component of religious doctrine and the way it fosters vengeance in all of us is quite interesting. And the decisive involvement of the US, a state with strong religious roots known to use torture, in manipulating the outcome of the Libyan insurrection cannot be coincidental to the reason why some Libyans felt they would be supported in causing traumatic damage to the physiology of a captive human being. Reference has also been made in this thread to the double-standards of the UK state and much media collusion in the doctrine of unconditional vengeance against a named figurehead. Some background reading on the way that dysfunctional doctrines of religious vengeance permeate the structures of our civilization:-

http://www.getcited.org/pub/103401595
http://www.nospank.net/greven.htm
http://www.worlddialogue.org/content.php?id=214
http://woodstock.georgetown.edu/resourc ... stice.html

Some writings of Nietszche on the genealogy of morals also draw attention to the way religion has created a psychological mechanism by which a straightforward revenge fantasy can be brought into the realm of civilised activity:

”I understand. Once again I’ll open my ears (oh! oh! oh! and hold my nose). Now I’m hearing for the first time what they’ve been saying so often: ‘We good men—we are the righteous’—what they demand they don’t call repayment but ‘the triumph of righteousness.’ What they hate is not their enemy. No! They hate ‘injustice,’ ‘godlessness.’ What they believe and hope is not a hope for revenge, the intoxication of sweet vengeance (something Homer has already called ‘sweeter than honey’), but the victory of God, the righteous God, over the godless. What remains for them to love on earth is not their brothers in hatred but their ‘brothers in love,’ as they say, all the good and righteous people on the earth.”

So anyway, are we atheists saying Alluha Akbar here? Where are we coming from? It's so hard to tell sometimes.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Long live contrarianism.

[Atheist-Lite]

Libya isn't a nation state but a collection of tribes, in that sense Exi, is onto something. We shouldn't see it as a revenge of a people but rather tribal vengence which will almost certainly lead to vendetta and a protracted inter-tribal conflict now. This in turn will interfere with the oil production and prevent a return to pre-revolution flow rates. Hampering a rebuild there and not paying for the cost of the war. Since Libya is a major producer of light crude which is increasingly scarce and used for cheap aviation fuel expect a flight surcharge on holidays next year? These realities help inform and set the price of commercial aviation fuel in the market place.

[FBM]

There's a big difference between being innocent and not having been formally convicted.

[Atheist-Lite]

There's a big difference between being innocent and not having been formally convicted.

The important thing is to consider the consequences, now. The footage could act as a catalyst for inter-tribal conflict elsewhere in the middle east. Could have a deeper effect for all that sur-repressed homosexuality in places like Saudi Arabia? It's a unsettling comedic spectacle in the West but in some places it could be a lot more explosive?

[FBM]

There's a big difference between being innocent and not having been formally convicted.

The important thing is to consider the consequences, now. The footage could act as a catalyst for inter-tribal conflict elsewhere in the middle east. Could have a deeper effect for all that sur-repressed homosexuality in places like Saudi Arabia? It's a unsettling comedic spectacle in the West but in some places it could be a lot more explosive?

They're going to fight over something, anyway, may as well be over a video of that twat getting his comeuppance.

[laklak]

More mideast inter-tribal conflict? Who gives a shit? If they aren't killing each other over something like this they'll pick something else, like whether Mohammad's middle name was Omar or Fred. They like killing each other, it's their national pastime. I say leave them to it, maybe set up a Vegas book on it.

[Exi5tentialist]

Libya isn't a nation state but a collection of tribes, in that sense Exi, is onto something. We shouldn't see it as a revenge of a people but rather tribal vengence which will almost certainly lead to vendetta and a protracted inter-tribal conflict now. This in turn will interfere with the oil production and prevent a return to pre-revolution flow rates. Hampering a rebuild there and not paying for the cost of the war. Since Libya is a major producer of light crude which is increasingly scarce and used for cheap aviation fuel expect a flight surcharge on holidays next year? These realities help inform and set the price of commercial aviation fuel in the market place.

The western media loves to use the word tribal in the context of LIbya, it fits the colonial narrative. The reality is Libya looks like it's about to settle down into a period of neo-liberal stability characterised by rapidly developing class stratification. That's more likely to be the consequence of the US military intervention here. It was a close call.

[FBM]

The US didn't do much military intervention in Libya, if international media are reliable.

[Atheist-Lite]

Libya isn't a nation state but a collection of tribes, in that sense Exi, is onto something. We shouldn't see it as a revenge of a people but rather tribal vengence which will almost certainly lead to vendetta and a protracted inter-tribal conflict now. This in turn will interfere with the oil production and prevent a return to pre-revolution flow rates. Hampering a rebuild there and not paying for the cost of the war. Since Libya is a major producer of light crude which is increasingly scarce and used for cheap aviation fuel expect a flight surcharge on holidays next year? These realities help inform and set the price of commercial aviation fuel in the market place.

The western media loves to use the word tribal in the context of LIbya, it fits the colonial narrative. The reality is Libya looks like it's about to settle down into a period of neo-liberal stability characterised by rapidly developing class stratification. That's more likely to be the consequence of the US military intervention here. It was a close call.

If it becomes a state living under strict Islamic law it'll pull itself together having a popular inclusive narrative. The alternative is fragmentation. There is no middle way, neo-liberal what not, rapidly rising food prices there will......disrupt things, have you factored in the coming food shortages as the old Gadaffi control economy fully disentegrates?

[Exi5tentialist]

The US didn't do much military intervention in Libya, if international media are reliable.

It is true that the media were usually not told where the dozens of attacks each day were located. The operation was carried out mainly in secrecy from the media - only people in denial would pretend that the US "didn't do much".

abc News, August 22nd 2011:-

Over the past 12 days, U.S. planes have flown 391 sorties for a total of 5,316 since April 1, according to figures provided by the Defense Department. That total includes 1,210 airstrike missions over the same three and a half month period. The U.S. has also conducted 101 Predator drone strike missions in Libya.