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Re: Mass escape of wild animals, police shoot to kill.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:32 am

mistermack wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
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PordFrefect wrote: I also hunt solo in areas heavily populated by Grizzly bears, Black bears, Mountain lions, Wolves - the very large sort, Coyotes, and assorted venomous snakes. All of which will just as happily kill me as the deer I'm after.
What bollocks. Is that really what goes on in your head?
Do you have a particular objection, or are you just venting in an abstruse manner?
I have no objection. It's your head.
But if you share what's in it, I'm entitled to comment.

There were three million visitors to Yellowstone last year. Are all of those animals "happily killing them" ?

I think your imagination is running riot.
So far as I know, there has been one case of wolves killing a human in North America in the past forty years. They will avoid the most dangerous predator on Earth when they can.
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Post by FBM » Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:41 am

Trophy-hunting? If you want to prove something, take that animal on bare-handed. A knife or recurve bow, at most. A large-calibre sniper rifle just proves you're a pussy.
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FBM wrote:Trophy-hunting? If you want to prove something, take that animal on bare-handed. A knife or recurve bow, at most. A large-calibre sniper rifle just proves you're a pussy.
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If someone really wants something to brag about, try taking on this lot:

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Post by Jason » Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:51 pm

mistermack wrote:
PordFrefect wrote:
mistermack wrote:
PordFrefect wrote: I also hunt solo in areas heavily populated by Grizzly bears, Black bears, Mountain lions, Wolves - the very large sort, Coyotes, and assorted venomous snakes. All of which will just as happily kill me as the deer I'm after.
What bollocks. Is that really what goes on in your head?
Do you have a particular objection, or are you just venting in an abstruse manner?
I have no objection. It's your head.
But if you share what's in it, I'm entitled to comment.

There were three million visitors to Yellowstone last year. Are all of those animals "happily killing them" ?

I think your imagination is running riot.
I don't hunt in Yellowstone. I've been through Jasper and Banff though and both offer great hunting. Unfortunately hunting in national parks is illegal and the park rangers are very careful to keep the dangerous animals under control.
I hunt far away from civilization, about a 1000km. The nearest town is actually a First Nations reserve and has a population of less than 100. Try getting out into the real wilds - it's not safe to go on walkabout without a firearm less than .30 cal.

I assume this was your objection? Absurd considering you know so little of what I was talking about. Or do you have some moral objection to hunting? Perhaps you think it is more ethical to eat slaughtered meat solely where animals are kept in enclosures barely larger than they are, fed by a conveyor belt at their heads and cleaned up by a conveyor belt at their rears?

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Re: Mass escape of wild animals, police shoot to kill.

Post by Ronja » Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:42 pm

To continue on the game / trophy tangent (emphasis mine):
Moose is not only a valuable game animal, but it causes
considerable forest damages
(e.g., Heikkilä & Härkönen 1993) and
traffic accidents
(Rajamäki & Mänttäri 2001) in Finland. So the
pressure in managing moose population size is two-sided: to
minimise the damage and still maintain harvestable population
densities.
Source: The conclusion of http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/ma ... osehun.pdf

I've never hunted myself, but I have been glad to buy or get as gift moose meat, when given the chance. I am convinced, through reading research reports and hearing/seeing news based on those, that the quality of life for moose in Finland, our traffic safety, and the health of our forests, would all be pretty intolerable if moose were not hunted effectively.

The moose meat is eaten, so there is little waste, and that meat most likely replaces meat from factory-farmed cattle or pigs, which do not need to be bread and raised at all. So the overall effect on animals' quality of life is likely positive.
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Re: Mass escape of wild animals, police shoot to kill.

Post by mistermack » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:37 pm

PordFrefect wrote: I don't hunt in Yellowstone. I've been through Jasper and Banff though and both offer great hunting. Unfortunately hunting in national parks is illegal and the park rangers are very careful to keep the dangerous animals under control.
I hunt far away from civilization, about a 1000km. The nearest town is actually a First Nations reserve and has a population of less than 100. Try getting out into the real wilds - it's not safe to go on walkabout without a firearm less than .30 cal.

I assume this was your objection? Absurd considering you know so little of what I was talking about. Or do you have some moral objection to hunting? Perhaps you think it is more ethical to eat slaughtered meat solely where animals are kept in enclosures barely larger than they are, fed by a conveyor belt at their heads and cleaned up by a conveyor belt at their rears?
I've spent quite a long time in Banff, fishing quite a lot of the Bow river, where there are supposed to be regular Grizzly sightings. I was well tooled up for bear, as I had a sheath knife, and would sometimes cut a spear and sharpen it. I'm still here.
Only saw one grizzly ( at a distance ), we were pretty sure it was one, halfway along Rundle Mountain, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
So I know at first hand that you're talking rubbish about how dangerous it is.
Nobody wandered around with guns back in those days, and it's no more dangerous now than then.
Grizzlies can be dangerous, but so can cars, and even rocks. It's rare.
The other animals you mentioned are practically no threat at all.

My objection is to the killing of wildlife for fun, not killing domestic animals for meat.
I think It's wrong to kill anything for fun, and people who do have my full contempt.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:47 pm

If anybody spots a source on exactly what kind of wolf was there, please let me know. TIA.
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