Should 'we' strike N. Korea first?

[FBM]

a) It's just a matter of time, and we can only guess how much, before N. Korea develops nuclear-capable missile technology.
b) Unstable internal conditions create the danger that such a missle could be launched in the event of political collapse.
c) China is currently treating N. Korea like the ugly country cousin with bad manners and breath. So is Russia.
d) China has enough internal and international problems of its own, and can't afford the economic backlash that would certainly
come from every developed nation should they give any military support for N. Korea. Same for Russia.
e) N. Korea is unashamedly selling missiles and technology to whoever can cough up the cash, and those missles and technology are undoubtedly
winding up in the hands of various insurgents and terrorists around the world.

Attack or wait?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Take out the nuclear facilities PDQ.

[FBM]

Take out the nuclear facilities PDQ.

Yeah. So do you think that in terms of military strategy, it would be most prudent to attack now, or at least, very soon? Or ride it out and wait for the North to make the next move?

I'm thinking in terms of The Art of War.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Take out the nuclear facilities PDQ.

Yeah. So do you think that in terms of military strategy, it would be most prudent to attack now, or at least, very soon? Or ride it out and wait for the North to make the next move?

I'm thinking in terms of The Art of War.

"Do what your enemy expects, but not when or where he expects it."

Me? I'd hire a team of ex-Spetsnaz to go in and take care of business.

[FBM]

Take out the nuclear facilities PDQ.

Yeah. So do you think that in terms of military strategy, it would be most prudent to attack now, or at least, very soon? Or ride it out and wait for the North to make the next move?

I'm thinking in terms of The Art of War.

"Do what your enemy expects, but not when or where he expects it."

Me? I'd hire a team of ex-Spetsnaz to go in and take care of business.

I honestly don't think that could be done. The South has tried and failed. Nobody knows where to find Kim at any given time. He's too paranoid. It's just what he'd expect.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I honestly don't think that could be done. The South has tried and failed. Nobody knows where to find Kim at any given time. He's too paranoid. It's just what he'd expect.

Things need to be taken to extremes. The R.O.K.s have been restrained up 'til now by potential political fall-out. When that's no longer a concern, the gloves will come off. NK didn't go south until the Sovs. told them it was okay. The South is just waiting for the US to say "enough already."

[FBM]

I honestly don't think that could be done. The South has tried and failed. Nobody knows where to find Kim at any given time. He's too paranoid. It's just what he'd expect.

Things need to be taken to extremes. The R.O.K.s have been restrained up 'til now by potential political fall-out. When that's no longer a concern, the gloves will come off. NK didn't go south until the Sovs. told them it was okay. The South is just waiting for the US to say "enough already."

True, true. The first thing the current president did when he took office was to scrap the Sunshine Policy that Kim Dae-jung started and for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize. The last president, Noh, the one who committed suicide a few days ago, also went to the North for a historic sit-down with K.J.I. K.J.I. even sent a personal message of condolences to Noh's family. And then blew up an atomic bomb and sprayed off a few missles. Neither Kim nor the South's current president, Lee, have any interest in peaceful reconciliation that involves compromise.
When the US says "enough already", it will do so knowing that it will bear the main military burden. The South's armed forces simply aren't up to the task, and everybody knows it. Taking out K.J.I. covertly wouldn't avert all-out war, it would start it. What with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and so forth, I don't think the US is ready for what it would take to defeat the North. Maybe, maybe if S. K. called up all the men who have served, they could have the numbers, since 2-yr military service is required of all able-bodied men here. If the US/UN were only required to supply materials and logistics...maybe.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

True, true. The first thing the current president did when he took office was to scrap the Sunshine Policy that Kim Dae-jung started and for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize. The last president, Noh, the one who committed suicide a few days ago, also went to the North for a historic sit-down with K.J.I. K.J.I. even sent a personal message of condolences to Noh's family. And then blew up an atomic bomb and sprayed off a few missles. Neither Kim nor the South's current president, Lee, have any interest in peaceful reconciliation that involves compromise.
When the US says "enough already", it will do so knowing that it will bear the main military burden. The South's armed forces simply aren't up to the task, and everybody knows it. Taking out K.J.I. covertly wouldn't avert all-out war, it would start it. What with Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and so forth, I don't think the US is ready for what it would take to defeat the North. Maybe, maybe if S. K. called up all the men who have served, they could have the numbers, since 2-yr military service is required of all able-bodied men here. If the US/UN were only required to supply materials and logistics...maybe.

IF they try the "human wave" crap again they'll be slaughtered. We've been wanting pay-back for that for the last 58 years.

[FBM]

IF they try the "human wave" crap again they'll be slaughtered. We've been wanting pay-back for that for the last 58 years.

No joke. And they don't have half a million Chinese to swarm in at the last minute this time. There was recent news in the papers that the US/SK forces agreed that there were enough anti-missle facilities here to handle anything the North threw at them. Their navy ain't much. Their air force hasn't enjoyed full Russian or Chinese support for a long time, and one thing the US does have plenty of here is air bases, pilots and jets. SK pilots are no slobs, either. The one thing that the North has, sheer manpower, has been neutralized by technology. On top of all that, they don't have the fuel reserves or communication infrastructure needed to keep up. No shit, they'd lose. I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to strike first. Full-on, overwhelming attack. Get it over with as quick as possible, without underestimating or assuming anything.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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[ficklefiend]

They might have a big army, but it aint worth shit if you feed them on a bowl of rice a day and don't have the proper technology.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They might have a big army, but it aint worth shit if you feed them on a bowl of rice a day and don't have the proper technology.

They will utilize the proletarian spirit to overcome the borqeios (SP?) decadent West.

[FBM]

They might have a big army, but it aint worth shit if you feed them on a bowl of rice a day and don't have the proper technology.

True that. An army travels on its stomach, or something like that. I'd expect a number of desertions after a few days...

They will utilize the proletarian spirit to overcome the borqeios (SP?) decadent West.

Yeeaaahhh....

[cowiz]

Tricky.

[FBM]

Yeah, tricky. But I still think we ought to do it. I don't think there will be a better time. Problem is, if you give them advance notice, that'll just make it that much harder, so going to the UN for a consensus would be counter-productive.

Check out their video:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_ ... _us_nkorea