Cache of guns stolen from LAPD

[Bella Fortuna]

Me too, but I voted for him

Me too.

[mistermack]

This does illustrate what crap it is, when gun lovers tell us how responsibly and securely their guns are kept.
As if it needed illustrating.
Basically, the rule is, if they are speaking, they are lying.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This does illustrate what crap it is, when gun lovers tell us how responsibly and securely their guns are kept.
As if it needed illustrating.
Basically, the rule is, if they are speaking, they are lying.

So, a government facility equates to all gun owners? Really?

[Wumbologist]

This does illustrate what crap it is, when gun lovers tell us how responsibly and securely their guns are kept.
As if it needed illustrating.
Basically, the rule is, if they are speaking, they are lying.

So, a government facility equates to all gun owners? Really?

And all gun owners have dozens of fully automatic submachine guns just lying around, too.

[Clinton Huxley]

This does illustrate what crap it is, when gun lovers tell us how responsibly and securely their guns are kept.
As if it needed illustrating.
Basically, the rule is, if they are speaking, they are lying.

So, a government facility equates to all gun owners? Really?

And all gun owners have dozens of fully automatic submachine guns just lying around, too.

They dream of it, maybe....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This does illustrate what crap it is, when gun lovers tell us how responsibly and securely their guns are kept.
As if it needed illustrating.
Basically, the rule is, if they are speaking, they are lying.

So, a government facility equates to all gun owners? Really?

And all gun owners have dozens of fully automatic submachine guns just lying around, too.

True, some have full autos, especially if they have the license for them. But it's rather like leaving bars of gold laying around your house. If one is stupid enough to do that, one gets what's coming.

[Wumbologist]

They dream of it, maybe....

So what if I do?

[Mysturji]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... 2873.story

A cache of Los Angeles Police Department submachine guns and handguns was stolen last week from a secured building used by the department's SWAT unit, raising fears that the weapons, which police had altered to fire only blanks, could be converted back to lethal use, police officials confirmed.

The weapons, which include 21 MP-5 submachine guns and 12 large caliber handguns, were moved Wednesday night to a multistory building at 14th and San Pedro streets downtown and stored in a locked box on the building's first floor, said LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Downing.

So a few ambitious criminals made off with more than 20 fully automatic police-issue submachine guns, which they can convert back to fire live rounds with approximately $40 worth of parts each. Only the police should have guns, eh? And if we outlaw guns and only the police and military have them, criminals will never, ever get their hands on them!

On the other hand, if everyone and his redneck cousin didn't have a dozen guns of various sorts, ready to shoot the first guy who walks up their garden path to ask for directions, then the police wouldn't need so many high-powered weapons, and being less common, they probably would have been stored more securely.
You live in the world you create.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This reminds me of the arguments about Germans. Some were Nazis so all were evil. Come on, folks, do we really still buy that line of thinking?

[Wumbologist]

On the other hand, if everyone and his redneck cousin didn't have a dozen guns of various sorts, ready to shoot the first guy who walks up their garden path to ask for directions, then the police wouldn't need so many high-powered weapons, and being less common, they probably would have been stored more securely.
You live in the world you create.

I assume you know of a place where the SWAT or equivalent doesn't carry the most effective firearms to do their jobs, then?

[MrJonno]

I assume you know of a place where the SWAT or equivalent doesn't carry the most effective firearms to do their jobs, then?

Not sure we have a SWAT team or equivalent here in the UK, you have some special police units with single shot sub machineguns (automatic is disabled). In the rare case that more is needed you have the military which even with cuts is more than capable of taking on a few armed criminals

[mistermack]

This reminds me of the arguments about Germans. Some were Nazis so all were evil. Come on, folks, do we really still buy that line of thinking?

That must be a great comfort to the thirty or forty million killed by the Germans, most of whom were not Nazis. And the vast majority were not evil.

But guns and wars have a habit of enabling nice people to kill other nice people.
Not the bollocks of goodies and baddies that you get in the films.

[Wumbologist]

This reminds me of the arguments about Germans. Some were Nazis so all were evil. Come on, folks, do we really still buy that line of thinking?

That must be a great comfort to the thirty or forty million killed by the Germans, most of whom were not Nazis. And the vast majority were not evil.

But guns and wars have a habit of enabling nice people to kill other nice people.
Not the bollocks of goodies and baddies that you get in the films.

In the US, nice people are the ones who go to the trouble of legally obtaining guns and going through the proper licensing channels. Being the nice people that they are, people with concealed carry permits are far more law-abiding than pretty much any other segment of the population. Not only are they exponentially less likely to commit violent crimes, with or without their guns, but they're also less likely to commit any sort of crime at all.

[Mysturji]

On the other hand, if everyone and his redneck cousin didn't have a dozen guns of various sorts, ready to shoot the first guy who walks up their garden path to ask for directions, then the police wouldn't need so many high-powered weapons, and being less common, they probably would have been stored more securely.
You live in the world you create.

I assume you know of a place where the SWAT or equivalent doesn't carry the most effective firearms to do their jobs, then?

I wasn't talking about the effectiveness of the police's (or equivalent's) weapons.
Just pointing oput that when a type of thing is ubiquitous, people tend to get blasé about them, even when the items in question are dangerous.
Less ubiquity (ubiquitousness? ) means less blasé-ness, so they make sure to keep them safe.

[Wumbologist]

I wasn't talking about the effectiveness of the police's (or equivalent's) weapons.
Just pointing oput that when a type of thing is ubiquitous, people tend to get blasé about them, even when the items in question are dangerous.
Less ubiquity (ubiquitousness? ) means less blasé-ness, so they make sure to keep them safe.

Australia seems to be pretty serious about gun control, and yet it seems like it's a fairly regular occurrence for guns and other military hardware to be stolen from police and military. I wonder how many of those stolen M72 rocket launchers they've recovered.