Dawkins on Alien Rubbish

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If we allow them in schools, then they can allow equal time for science teachers in church.

And we get to kill anyone who doesn't believe in Dark Matter!

I think mulatto matter follows logically from the existence of dark matter and matter.

I just worry about my old Aunty Matter.

[Ronja]

OK, so ATM the score is something like 10 well argued views for Dawkins' POV and one fragmented and self-contradictory against?

Somehow I did not see that in our future in late February 2010

[Gawdzilla Sama]

OK, so ATM the score is something like 10 well argued views for Dawkins' POV and one fragmented and self-contradictory against?

Somehow I did not see that in our future in late February 2010

It's possible to separate the man from the idea for me.

[Ronja]

OK, so ATM the score is something like 10 well argued views for Dawkins' POV and one fragmented and self-contradictory against?

Somehow I did not see that in our future in late February 2010

It's possible to separate the man from the idea for me.

For you and a few others, yes...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

OK, so ATM the score is something like 10 well argued views for Dawkins' POV and one fragmented and self-contradictory against?

Somehow I did not see that in our future in late February 2010

It's possible to separate the man from the idea for me.

For you and a few others, yes...

Meh, I know a guy who made the trains run on time.

[Coito ergo sum]

OK, so ATM the score is something like 10 well argued views for Dawkins' POV and one fragmented and self-contradictory against?

Somehow I did not see that in our future in late February 2010

It's possible to separate the man from the idea for me.

For you and a few others, yes...

Meh, I know a guy who made the trains run on time.

That's great, but I hear he was real il douche'....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Duce you say!

[Coito ergo sum]

I talia, it's the truth!

[surreptitious57]

Abolition of every faith school
Abolition of religious tax status
Evolution referenced and explained
Creationism referenced and de bunked
Every child to read The Bible in its entirety
Every child to read The Koran in its entirety
Religion to be taught as humanity in all schools
No adult allowed to religiously indoctrinate any child
All major religions taught in schools not just Christianity
Children taught to question anything that is not undisputed fact

[Ronja]

...and even the undisputed facts, just for good training or fun (or both).

Otherwise a pretty perfect list.

[HomerJay]

Creationism referenced and de bunked
Every child to read The Bible in its entirety
Every child to read The Koran in its entirety
Religion to be taught as humanity in all schools
All major religions taught in schools not just Christianity

Fuck that with a big FUCK.

Don't force fed my kids this shit.

[klr]

Abolition of every faith school
Abolition of religious tax status
Evolution referenced and explained
Creationism referenced and de bunked
Every child to read The Bible in its entirety
Every child to read The Koran in its entirety
Religion to be taught as humanity in all schools
No adult allowed to religiously indoctrinate any child
All major religions taught in schools not just Christianity
Children taught to question anything that is not undisputed fact

Childhood is too short to be wasted with this IMHO.

As for debunking Creationism ... maybe, but why even bother giving it the "oxygen of publicity"?

[surreptitious57]

Creationism referenced and de bunked
Every child to read The Bible in its entirety
Every child to read The Koran in its entirety
Religion to be taught as humanity in all schools
All major religions taught in schools not just Christianity

Fuck that with a big FUCK

Don't force fed my kids this shit

What would you like them to be force fed then ?

[Coito ergo sum]

Abolition of every faith school

I vote no on that. People who want to create schools of whatever sort should be free to do so, and nobody should be forced to go them.

Abolition of religious tax status

I disagree. Religious tax exemption is supposed to be to keep the Church and State separate. There should be no taxation of the churches, and no funding to the churches.

Evolution referenced and explained

...in biology class...

Creationism referenced and de bunked

Disagree. Not to be referenced, because the mention of Christian creationism would require the mention of a myriad other types of Creationism. It's a waste of time, and it's not science.

Every child to read The Bible in its entirety

If they want to. It's a good idea to get some Biblical references in English literature.

Every child to read The Koran in its entirety

If they want to. I'd rather my kids read the Bhagavad Gita and the I'Ching and the Tao Te Ching. I would have to supervise reading of the Koran to put its filth in context.

Religion to be taught as humanity in all schools

College. Leave religion out of grammar school and high school.

No adult allowed to religiously indoctrinate any child

Stay the fuck out of my life, and the life of my family. You and others are not the boss of me, or my family, nor do I ceded to you the right to tell me what my family ought know and learn. Keep your authoritarian philosophy away from me.

All major religions taught in schools not just Christianity

No major or minor religions taught in public schools, including but not limited to Christianity.

Children taught to question anything that is not undisputed fact

There is no such thing as undisputed fact.

[Exi5tentialist]

I am all in favour of religion being taught in schools but
providing that it is done as a humanity and not as a science
I am also in favour of all variations in all spectrums - religious
political, philosophical, economic - being taught so that pupils are
aware of such differences. But teachers should not over step the mark
and impose their own interpretation. And this applies equally to atheists as
well as theists. Pupils should be taught how to think, not what to think beyond
basic factual information. It is the job of the teacher to educate not to indoctrinate
and most probably avoid that anyway. But once a pupil leaves the class, and returns home
they can have everything they learnt dismissed. Yet parents too have a responsibility to educate

Well personally I tend to think that that anything can be a science, where science refers to systematic
study, or a subject-area that has its own internal systematic structure. After all, we freely use the
terms political science and social science, I really do not see anything particularly controversial
about the scientific study of the sciences of religion. Theology is a legitimate academic
subject in its own right, and from what I gather is intellectually very demanding.
As for teachers 'overstepping the mark' as you call it ('imposing their own
interpretation') I don't think you've really hit the nail on the head of
what you're trying to say. After all, we expect maths and physics
teachers to teach their interpretation most of the time, I really
don't see what's so controversial about teachers of theology
teaching from their own perspective. And again I think
you have a very arbitrary boundary between what is
education and what is indoctrination. Personally I
think in principle the two things are exactly the
same. No one has a monopoly of truth, surely?