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Re: Weird question.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:56 pm

Mysturji wrote:In layman's terms, the freezing point of sea water at 10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean would be precicely 10,000 feet below the surface of the ocean.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:58 pm

I think Zilla means "What would be the freezing point?", using "freezing" as an expletive.
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Re: Weird question.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:13 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:I think Zilla means "What would be the freezing point?", using "freezing" as an expletive.
At what temperature would sea water freeze at ten thousand feet below the surface?
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Post by Mysturji » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:38 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:I think Zilla means "What would be the freezing point?", using "freezing" as an expletive.
At what temperature would sea water freeze at ten thousand feet below the surface?
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Re: Weird question.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:39 pm

I have a friend at Scripps that will do that for me.
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Re: Weird question.

Post by Tyrannical » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:11 pm

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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:Unless the entire ocean above it was frozen, this would never happen! Water is at its most dense at 4ºC. Colder water rises to the surface and freezes there.

Here is the phase diagram for pure water.

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Freezing point varies very little with pressure but does slightly decrease - so the water would freeze at a slightly lower temperature - you would need to calculate the absolute pressure of the water to work out by exactly how much.
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Re: Weird question.

Post by mistermack » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:44 am

Tyrannical wrote: Too quick, salinity is a major factor.
A lot of ocean information used to be classified because of how temperature / density / salinity effects sonar.
Salt water is very different to fresh. For instance, Xamonas was right that pure water is maximum density at + 4 degrees. But salt water is actually densest at it's freezing point.
Another thing it does is to form layers, of different saltiness, if it's not stirred up by currents.

I've seen underwater video of what appears to be a "lake" underwater, with a real surface, and what it actually is is a pool of very salty water, much saltier than the surrounding water. Salt water gets denser as it get's saltier, and as it gets colder, so without ocean currents, you would have very salty water in the deep, and fairly fresh water at the top.

If the surface of the ocean froze completely, it's likely that circulation currents would stop, so you would end up with layers of more and more salty water, as you descend.
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